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NOC 9p Matrix 6 Game Thread [GAME OVER]

M24 said:
Most likely based on?
Panic's push on me seems to be mainly due to my action of being willing to vote shia, is it the same for you?
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Mostly your reads list. You claim a lot of people are town without much justification. You also seem to have an image problem which seemed to develop after I started to suspect you iirc (though I may have only seen this after I started to suspect you).
 
CaffeineBoost said:
Mostly your reads list. You claim a lot of people are town without much justification. You also seem to have an image problem which seemed to develop after I started to suspect you iirc (though I may have only seen this after I started to suspect you).
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I feel like maintaining a good image is usually how i play hidden role games, i just think it's better to confront accusations than ignore them and looking more scum
 
CaffeineBoost said:
Mostly your reads list. You claim a lot of people are town without much justification. You also seem to have an image problem which seemed to develop after I started to suspect you iirc (though I may have only seen this after I started to suspect you).
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Rn, whydon, Panic and you are the ones I'm most confident about being town
 
Schiavetto said:
Litch-erully how are you so confident taht Whydon is town he barely exists
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i mean, i might be reading him wrong, but to me it looks a lot more like he's a bad town then a bad mafia.

Then again, voting whydon off might be a possible play we'd have to make tonight, just because of the uncertainty of the slot
 
M24 said:
Most likely based on?
Panic's push on me seems to be mainly due to my action of being willing to vote shia, is it the same for you?
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This is untrue. You should read his ISO for a better understanding of where he's coming from - for what it's worth, I don't think you change his mind, and in either case I think your time is far better spent on other concerns
 
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M24 said:
Caffeine's radical vote/unvotes as well as his kinda memey behaviour makes me think he's most likely innocent.
Passable given the first reason, but I don't see why reason the second is a reason given that M24 has no idea what my meta should be like.

At this point I think whydon's on the side of "inno and doesn't give a shit", was prob hoping to have an interesting role but didnt if I'd have to guess
Being so sure that Whydon is town based on this and this alone (this does continue throughout the thread as you will see in the second list.

And finally ThunderBallz outwards thinking
My main point on TBZ follows later, but please note that the reason given here is two words long that mean very little.

like this, idk doesn't scream maf to me.
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M24 said:
1. Thunder~BALLZ
I'm feeling 60% town on thunder, saying his thought process out loud is more likely to be a town play imo, idt a maf would try to post completely unwaranted content.
This elaborates the two word reason to something more... well reasonable. Issue is, I've ISO'd TBZ and he hasn't explained a goddamn thing. As a result I question how somebody could feel like TBZ is town because he has a loud thought process.

2. Whydon : Inno
imo whydon's currently acting like more of a town that doesn't give enough of a shit about the game, as i said before, maybe because he didn't get an interesting role.
See previous reply.

4. Duskfall98 : Inno, i think
Kind of feeling like Dusk is more of a town here, as a few others have pointed out, bringing out a possible winning strategy in solving the roles is something he wouldn't be inclined to do as a maf.
Not his reasoning.

5. CaffeineBoost : Inno
Talked a bit earlier about why i thought he was inno

6. Panic Station : Inno
I'm feeling much better about Panic now that he's started talking, calling me out on things I've said earlier definitely means he's invested in the game, which isn't necessarely a scum/unscum thing to do, but going after me in the way he did makes me think he's most likely innocent.
No criticisms here.

8. M2H Former : Maf
Process of elimination, i don't believe a Schia/OM pair is possible here, so i think it's most likely a Former / one of the two pair.
This is also fine? I think? Something about it doesn't sit well but I don't actually have a proper response to this.

9. M24
kinda sus imo

3. OM
7. Schiavetto

I think the other maf is probably one of these two, they've been after each other for a good part of the game, so I don't necessarely think it's possible for them to be a pair here.
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M24 has a lot of town reads and a lot of the reasons behind them either don't make sense or are not their reasons.
M24 is new, but I think a new player isn't going to be this confident about reads unless they actually know that the people they're listing off are town.
 
M24 said:
i mean, seemed like a pretty big contributing factor.

Then again, i don't think we can really progress here with whydon still in play.
If he is maf, well then good for us, but if he's not, maf would let him live the whole game anyway.

Vote : Whydon
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If I can be arsed, I'll ISO tomorrow and check the voting pattern because this is weird.
 
As far as I can remember caffeine's town reads aren't usually very tunnelly and, so this feels out of the ordinary to me that he seems deadset on killing the new guy without consideeijg properly other avenues. I could be misremembering meta though so feel free to point that out
 
CaffeineBoost said:
M24 has a lot of town reads and a lot of the reasons behind them either don't make sense or are not their reasons.
M24 is new, but I think a new player isn't going to be this confident about reads unless they actually know that the people they're listing off are town.
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Personally, i don't think me taking other people's reasoning is neccessarely a bad thing, especially if the thought process comes from multiple sources.

I still believe that whydon's innocent, but at this point he's more of a burden to town even if he is innocent, eliminating him will boost conversation between the remaining cast so we can see more interactions between people.
 
Duskfall98 said:
It's not if me and schia are town as you so kindly purposely removed from the quote lol
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Okay, this looks bad but there's a perfectly good explanation for this

I only read the top part of the post, immediately spotted something was off, then ignored the rest of the post after I replied to the rest of it.

I did a stupid and I would now like to perform an apologise.
 
Duskfall98 said:
As far as I can remember caffeine's town reads aren't usually very tunnelly and, so this feels out of the ordinary to me that he seems deadset on killing the new guy without consideeijg properly other avenues. I could be misremembering meta though so feel free to point that out
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I think you could probably refer to me vs Clarinet in p. much any game for my tunnels.
 
Former said:
Oh, that's not gaslighting?

I actually hate it when people say "I'm so sure there has to be one scum in these two players" because it's one of these three situations

1. Mafia trying to get two people voted out
2. Town accidentally getting two people out
3. Town maybe being right about one of them

Making pairs like that is just never a good play and an even worse play to follow. It just is way to easy to get messed up.
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Wildly disagree w/ the gaslighting take.

Going back to this post:
Former said:
I'm actually kind of disappointed because I was starting to town read Tommy, at least enough to see if he survived a few night phases before re-evaluating.

But that kind of push is such a scum play, [snip]
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This reads like you are guilting duskfall for scumreading you, and I'm like pretty sure that's a gaslighting tactic. This whole "dissapointed in a scum play" reads incredibly scummy for a defense, and I've already cased the whole "fakeness from weakness" kinda deal. I snip the rest here because I think the argument itself is logical and the scummy part of the defense is the emotional bit - which you seem to pivot around in your defenses.
 
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