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virizion answers don't just check virizion though, they still check other very relevant threats. you don't have to go out of your way to find virizion answers; they're all extremely solid and great options and we'll still be seeing tons of them even in the event that virizion gets bannedThe problem is with its heavily limited counterplay, which leads to Virizion limiting teambuilding and being overcentralising. zS said it himself. You can't build a team so focused on countering Virizion and making Virizion have the worst matchup in the world, prove that it beats Virizion and say Virizion isn't broken.
other than the fact that virizion is not a claydol switchin, games often don't happen in such a linear manner; if we assume it's swords dance + stone edge or calm mind + stone edge, it still has to be wary of talonflame in the back - the opponent could go aromatisse first to scout the set and from that point you can't just freely click leaf blade. in this scenario, not only does virizion need the right set, it also has to predict correctly, twice. also, if the opponent already knows the virizion set isn't mixed & they don't need claydol anymore, they can afford to stay in with it to tradeTake for example that Virizion comes in on a Claydol, and you have a Talonflame/Aromatisse in the back. You can't switch in Talonflame because if Viri clicks Stone Edge you die, if you go Aromatisse, you can't OHKO Virizion and if it SDs you die. If you stay in you die if he clicks Leaf Blade and all you can do is guess your opponent's move, and your opponent has the advantage because not only does he know the Virizion set
this is more of a teambuilding issue. saying "i don't have a virizion answer and it's 6-0ing me!" is not a valid argument, especially when not running a flying / poison / fairy means you'll usually struggle immensely against other fighting-types as wellAnd then what if you don't have a Talonflame/Weezing/Aromatisse in the back?
perrserker and virizion are different threats though? band perrserker had a stab band 120bp move coming from 110 attack in a considerably weaker metagame. they're not comparable simply because you didn't even have to predict with perrserker most of the time because you also had a pivoting move. anyway, yes virizion is fast but when looking at the current tier it's actually not that fast; we have plenty of faster & potent threats that can at the very least pressure itFirst off, this wallbreaker isn't Perrserker from July - it's fast and his limited mons that outspeed it, and it can set up on unexpecting opponents that lose the 50/50
yes, they do, but the argument is that you can limit just how much it gets to do with offensive checks. again, i don't think it's comparable to roserade; roserade could take advantage of more stuff due to its immunity to toxic & natural cure. it could also cripple & weaken down its answers with sleep powder and spikes respectively, with spikes providing its team extremely solid support, which makes it vastly different from virizion. also 125 spa leaf storm does considerably more than 90 spa leaf stormAnd? What is this trying to say? That you're able to force Virizion out? Every mon has stuff that forces it out!
this really irks me because the pro-ban side is the one that's supposed to actually give proof of virizion being broken. this is a suspect to revaluate virizion's place in the tier, not one to consider freeing it and you're taking it for granted that virizion is brokenProve that Virizion isn't centralising and then we'll talk.
again, this is something the pro-ban side has to demonstrate, but even then it vastly differs from each person. some people haven't struggled with it, while some have. getting some replays proving that virizion is broken would greatly help support your points, so if you have any please share them. i personally haven't struggled with virizion, and even if i said i'm gonna be voting dnb, any proof that virizion is broken could make me revaluate my stanceOn that note: saying this means not very much whatsoever if you don't provide 'in practice material' yourself. Saying 'in practice, in practice' and having people agree with you also means nothing because you have no proof whatsoever and its totally subjective to who you are talking to and who is agreeing with you.
this argument is extemely weird and simply doesn't make sense. when people say that, they mean defensive utility. no one cares if your offensive pokémon can't wall other threats, certainly not ones that have a super effective stab. having some defensive utility helps immensely, which is something virizion kinda lacks due to points i've already brought up in another post. this gives it a limited amount of opportunities to switch into various defensive staples. no one is using archeops as their heliolisk switchin and you know it. however, archeops can still switch into threats like charizard in a pinch, just like virizion can switch into heliolisk if neededBecause I would like to see whether or not my Virizion can switch into a Toxicroak matters right? And similarly, Archeops doesn't want to switch into Heliolisk... right?