Pokemon Legends - Arceus - 28th Jan 2022 *Official Content Only*

StarFalcon555 said:
Don't want to seem impatient, but is there any reason the official site didn't update with official artwork/information about Hisuian Zorua and Hisuian Zoroark? In the previous two cases where a new Pokemon was teased in a cryptic way and revealed later (Sirfetch'd and G-Ponyta), the SWSH website updated as soon as the official trailer came out. The reveal of Hisuian Zorua and Zoroark was very similar, but the American website didn't update at all. The Japanese website acknowledged that it was a Hisuian Zorua and Zoroark (and also confirmed their types) but didn't post any official artwork either.

Maybe there's a little bit more to this news drop than we thought... Do they have another new Hisuian form or Pokemon they want to reveal this month, and they're saving the official official reveal of Hisuian Zorua and Hisuian Zoroark to also coincide with the reveal with the other new Hisuian form/Pokemon? Are Hisuian Zorua and Zoroark going to be the Impidimp of PLA, where we know they exist but GF just refuses to show them off officially for some reason? Or are they just a bit behind with editing their official announcement trailer?

I just really want to see Hisuian Zoroark's official artwork, man. The pose in the footage makes it look like a knockoff Midnight Lycanroc, and I want to see it in a different pose so I can judge its design better.
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I think it is probably just nothing special and more then continuing to be weird different about their reveal cycles.

If we get a "proper" end of month update (for both games, rather than preview coverage standing in for BDSP and Zorua/Zoroark for LA) it might wind up there, assuming it's not just shown tomorrow.
 
StarFalcon555 said:
Don't want to seem impatient, but is there any reason the official site didn't update with official artwork/information about Hisuian Zorua and Hisuian Zoroark? In the previous two cases where a new Pokemon was teased in a cryptic way and revealed later (Sirfetch'd and G-Ponyta), the SWSH website updated as soon as the official trailer came out. The reveal of Hisuian Zorua and Zoroark was very similar, but the American website didn't update at all. The Japanese website acknowledged that it was a Hisuian Zorua and Zoroark (and also confirmed their types) but didn't post any official artwork either.

Maybe there's a little bit more to this news drop than we thought... Do they have another new Hisuian form or Pokemon they want to reveal this month, and they're saving the official official reveal of Hisuian Zorua and Hisuian Zoroark to also coincide with the reveal with the other new Hisuian form/Pokemon? Are Hisuian Zorua and Zoroark going to be the Impidimp of PLA, where we know they exist but GF just refuses to show them off officially for some reason? Or are they just a bit behind with editing their official announcement trailer?

I just really want to see Hisuian Zoroark's official artwork, man. The pose in the footage makes it look like a knockoff Midnight Lycanroc, and I want to see it in a different pose so I can judge its design better.
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R_N said:
I think it is probably just nothing special and more then continuing to be weird different about their reveal cycles.

If we get a "proper" end of month update (for both games, rather than preview coverage standing in for BDSP and Zorua/Zoroark for LA) it might wind up there, assuming it's not just shown tomorrow.
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Using Sword and Shield's pre-release period as precedent, I assume Hisuian Zorua and Zoroark will be added to the official website after they receive an official trailer that showcases them in action and reveals their official artwork. This was the case with both Sirfetch'd' and Galarian Ponyta, who were both soft-revealed through special showcase gimmicks and then shown off in official trailers which is when they were subsequently added to the official website with descriptions about their behavior, their height/weight/typing/species, their artwork, etc. So I assume we'll have to wait for another official Legends: Arceus trailer that showcases Zorua and Zoroark in their full glory in the game proper, seeing them in action in-game while also revealing their typing (Normal/Ghost) officially in the process.

So far we haven't seen the official art for Zorua/Zoroark yet or them in action, but odds are that may show up in an official trailer soon.
 
Hugin said:
It sounds like Zorua, but I agree with DrPumpkinz, any regional form would just be a downgrade of a very unique mon.
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So anyway, that was wrong. I am HYPE for this typing. I hope they give us access to them early, but it seems doubtful. With the exception of USUM, Zorua's always been a late-game mon, and early ghosts are a good way to wreck early trainers.

How they handle Illusion is the big question, since it seems like abilities aren't a thing. I'm expecting a signature move for this game, not sure what they'll do when the mons get transferred elsewhere.

Credit to Corsolanite, here's gifs of the reveal:
Zorua 1.gif


Edit: (upload failed of the second gif, check the link above)
The overall design is interesting. I'm not 100% sold, but better lighting will mean a lot. The animations are interesting. Zoroark looks fine, and Zorua up close is adorable. The walk-away, where it just sort of bounces, that's odd. The Snorunts earlier were just kind of bouncing too. Growlithe kind of bounces in the reveal of him as well, which makes me think it's an aesthetic choice, rather than an unpolished animation, but it's an aesthetic choice I disagree with.
 
I feel safe guessing Zorua and Zoarak still have Illusion. Regional Variants have mostly been almost the same as the originals other than typing. in Sandslash and Ninetails have the Hail version of their weather abilities, Dugtrio has the same abilities other than the broken one being replaced with its luxurious hair, Darmanitan even still has Zen Mode. (Unrelated, but I can't believe the first snowman Pokemon is a Fire Type.) The exceptions are mostly Regional Evolutions, and even then, Runerigus's main changes are its Attack and Special Attacked being swapped and a different Ability changing Ability. There's also the shadowy thing in the video that looks like it's probably an illusion. Its eyes are blue instead of Zoroark's yellow.

I don't know much about the Monotype meta, but I'm guessing a Ghost immunity is going to be really nice for Ghost and the Fighting Immunity is going to be really nice for Normal, especially with Illusion's mind games.
AquaticPanic said:
Perhaps Zoroark's greatest Illusion is tricking people into thinking Normal/Ghost is a defensive typing. It's got a pretty poor set of resistances (Bug and Poison are some of the worst offensive typings) and Zoroark itself has never been able to take hits well both from stats and ability; but conversely Normal/Ghost as coverage is only resisted by 2 existing Pokémon (Bisharp and Tyranitar) that both fall to Focus Blast (Which I'd expect Hisuian Zoroark to get), and other than that only Hisuian Zoroark itself is immune to Normal/Ghost/Fighting coverage.

If anything Normal/Ghost is useful not for its defensive potential but because of (assuming it keeps) Illusion, as Immunities allows it to trick the foe better as it wouldn't be taking damage from a wrong prediction. I really think Zoroark was the best possible pick for a Normal/Ghost.


Also I know this is not why they picked Normal/Ghost and Zoroark for a combo but it's really funny to me that the Illusion Pokémon gets a type that deceives most people into thinking it's a defensive combination when in reality it's a great offensive combo instead.
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I can see two people down to just their Zoroark that can't do anything because their fourth move is a set up move. They're going to wish they didn't use their PP Ups on Nasty Plot/Sword Dance when they wait for Struggle. It'd be even funnier if this happened to two Hyper Agro teams. Someone please send me a replay if this ever happens between Agro teams! >:D

Bug and Poison may suck as resists, but that at least gives a U-Turn resist and, as everyone is saying, Ghost and Fighting immunities are enough to get excited about. Even if Zoroark has offensive stats, people are going to try (and probably fail) to use it defensively. The power of Theroymon jank and terrible gimmicks can never be stopped by mere logic! Trust me, I've tried worse defensively and I can't wait to fail with this. :D
 
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Ok after looking at it a bit more I think I've come around a bit on Hisuian Zoroark. I really like it's design although it could be a bit cleaner/sleeker, but I suppose it is supposed to be the opposite of U-Zoroark

In terms of competitive viability I also feel like it'll be the opposite of U-Zoroark, as in it's good. It's typing, as mentioned above, isn't the greatest defensively but it can provide a ton of switch in opporunities due to being immune to two great offensive types...and another one to go with it. It can also lead to great mind games to use these immunities compared to regular Zark, which can only take advantage of Psychic types, which are already only strong against two types, making it a lot easier to snuff out. Plus Normal/Ghost and Fighting coverage (which it almost definitely will have) is unresisted by everything except itself. I easily see Hisuian Zoroark being an amazing NU mon at worst, and good RU or UU mon at best, compared to U-Zoroark being fucking God awful in NU
 
Ironmage said:
No, it's running Knock Off because basically everything that has a spare moveslot runs knock off this gen.
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It’s actually not running Knock Off because it’s best STAB is Poltergeist… that last moveslot is best used for coverage like Rock Tomb or Spectral Thief for the rare itemless counter tech.
 
StarFalcon555 said:
Don't want to seem impatient, but is there any reason the official site didn't update with official artwork/information about Hisuian Zorua and Hisuian Zoroark? In the previous two cases where a new Pokemon was teased in a cryptic way and revealed later (Sirfetch'd and G-Ponyta), the SWSH website updated as soon as the official trailer came out. The reveal of Hisuian Zorua and Zoroark was very similar, but the American website didn't update at all. The Japanese website acknowledged that it was a Hisuian Zorua and Zoroark (and also confirmed their types) but didn't post any official artwork either.

Maybe there's a little bit more to this news drop than we thought... Do they have another new Hisuian form or Pokemon they want to reveal this month, and they're saving the official official reveal of Hisuian Zorua and Hisuian Zoroark to also coincide with the reveal with the other new Hisuian form/Pokemon? Are Hisuian Zorua and Zoroark going to be the Impidimp of PLA, where we know they exist but GF just refuses to show them off officially for some reason? Or are they just a bit behind with editing their official announcement trailer?

I just really want to see Hisuian Zoroark's official artwork, man. The pose in the footage makes it look like a knockoff Midnight Lycanroc, and I want to see it in a different pose so I can judge its design better.
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Personally I think it'll probably get updated tomorrow. I'm not sure why they didn't immediately update it like with Kleavor, though. If it isn't updated tomorrow it is possible they could be saving it for Halloween, to coincide with another Hisuian mon that fits the theme.
 
Been brainstorming about the kinds of toys that H-Zark will get.

I'm rather enchanted by the possibility of ExtremeSpeed. The new fox is practically guaranteed Swords Dance and Shadow Claw, so ESpeed would practically turn it into mini-Arceus. For reference, Arceus is currently the only monster that can learn SD and use ESpeed with STAB. Here is the standard BW array for the infamous ExtremeKiller Arceus:

Arceus @ Silk Scarf
Ability: Multitype
EVs: 200 HP / 252 Atk / 56 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Swords Dance
- Extreme Speed
- Shadow Claw
- Earthquake

Could H-Zark make something like this work? Bearing in mind it's likely to be graced by Poltergeist in due course or even a sig move that fits this profile. If it keeps Illusion, even better. Low Kick and U-turn are probably the best candidates for slot four.

Barring ExtremeSpeed, I'm not sure what else this thing is really built for. The loss of Return means fast Normal-types are relying on Double-Edge and Facade these days, and those are tough sells. We can be confident that H-Zark will be able to run a special kit that's essentially Nasty Plot/Hyper Voice/Shadow Ball/Focus Blast, but that is very vanilla by modern standards. This is all to say that, unless Normal supermoves such as ExtremeSpeed and Boomburst are on the table, the new Zark is likely to (1) receive a signature move and (2) lean on it hard.
 
Vengeance417 said:
Lmao how do Hisuian Zoroarks fight each other in the wild?
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this zoroark almost certainly still learns dark moves, ghost types usually do.
DreamPrince said:
Not sure about that. Knock Off's utility for removing items is sooo good, that Pokemon that have no business running it run it, Like Toxapex and Clefable.
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In the context of this discussion Marshadow would never ever run Knock Off since it turns off it's own strongest STAB option, not to mention ubers is anything but short of knock users.
 
I do expect them to get a new move, but personally I'm hoping its not a clone of Night Daze because honestly that move is really boring tbh. Alolan Marowak didn't get a clone of Bonemerang so not like signature moves between variants have to be 1:1 anyways

On a similar vein I am kin of exlecting Wyrdeer to have something related to Rooms. Even if its only in HOME, I think its ability will somehow tie into rooms, imo it fits Stantler's lore quite a bit and would be a veey mechanically unique mon
 
Worldie said:
Considering how we have had random stuff considered garbage hitting Ubers in last generation (Hi Dracovish), you never know if they pull out some ridicolous move that breaks it... :blobwizard:
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I mean, every gen theres always a lof ot theorymoning, some of those mons are obviously broken, some ppl think will be broken but end up in the lower tiers and some like vish receive the opposite effect.

Based on what we know about regional variations, I dont think Zoroark will be a contendant in the ubers tiers. And regarding Flamestorm7 post, every tier has viable Pokémon who belong to lower tiers, this had happened in every generation without exception, but I don't think the argument should focus the viability of h-zoroark at countering or checking marshadow.
 
So it ended up beeing a Normal/Ghost! We already have 2 ghost types to watch in Basculegion and this.
Awesome.

About abilities... Do we even have a hint that pokemon in this game will have abilties?
 
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depressed lion said:
So it ended up beeing a Normal/Ghost! We already have 2 ghost types to watch in Basculegion and this.
Awesome.

About abilities... Do we even have a hint that pokemons in this game will have abilties?
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By all counts they don't appear to.

Whatever Zoroark does with Illusions will likely be intrinsic to it (so basically like an ability but not an ability), an attack or be some environmental gimmick. Its "real" ability, one we'd only see when placed into Home, I could see just being kept Illusion
 
Serebii said:
The next Pokémon Center Birthday distribution has been announced for Japan. From November 1st, if you go to the Pokémon Center and prove it's the month of your birthday, you'll be given a Serial Code. This code will give you a special Happiny. This code can be redeemed in Pokémon Sword, Shield, Brilliant Diamond, Shining Pearl or Legends Arceus and runs until October 31st 2022
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Interesting, not only confirms that Legends Arceus has Mystery Gifts, but also confirms that a Pokemon can be made compatible between all of the Gen 8 games.
 
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