SPOILERS! Brilliant Diamond & Shining Pearl Data Dumps

Aduro said:
I feel like version exclusives are a bit of a slap to the face in a game that is (probably permanently) missing nearly half of the existing pokemon...
Sylveon is exclusive to the games that weren't delegated to a company that has never made a video game before... Don't hold back shieldon on top of everthing else we're not getting.


The moveset leaks are something that might be interesting for SwSh VGC though. Obviously no move tutors means fewer returning moves. But when these games become cross compatible and if pokemon can get into BDSP from SwSh, it might mean more mons with explosion, swagger etc. in VGC.
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BDSP pokemon have a different mark than SWSH does, ergo no matter what moves pokemon learn here, it won't matter in SWSH because you'll need to do a mark reset which will wipe out the incompatible moves

e: Oh you meant the reverse, bringing BDSP pokemon into an area where they can learn the new moves with it just being important to have the mon, gotcha, nevermind
 
Aduro said:
I don't think you'll need a move reset if you can breed/catch pokemon in SwSh, send them to SwSh to teach them swagger, then send them back.

I think Gen 9 will be at least a year from now anyway. Given that they are busy with Legends Arceus. Even if I don't think LA will be a great/well polished game, I think it will have taken a lot of time because the devs are learning and using different skills.
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My poor innocent soul, that's not how it works.

There's no such thing as "taking your time" on a strict release schedule which is the cause of all evils of Pokemon.

If GF was ever actually given "time to learn", we'd not have had the shitshow that Dexit was to delay SwSh enough to create the new animations.

And this is what I referred with "they will need a moveset reset"
R_N said:
BDSP pokemon have a different mark than SWSH does, ergo no matter what moves pokemon learn here, it won't matter in SWSH because you'll need to do a mark reset which will wipe out the incompatible moves
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Gen 8 is nearing the 2 year old mark. Gen 9 will be somewhere in the end of 2022.
Even if we're able to use the BDSP / AL pokes in SwSh, I significantly doubt it'll be for more than a VGC season or two, and won't be for quite a while anyway, so don't get your hopes up.

(Besides... it's not like the pokemon coming back are going to make much of a splash. I can't think of any of the returning Pokemon that have been viable in VGC)
Kurona said:
I think if Gen 9 comes out before we get all Pokémon in Gen 8 or not long after the last one finally gets added in I might just keep my distance from this franchise lol
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I think keeping distance from this Franchise would benefit pretty much everyone who had any expectation for BDSP being a polished high quality AAA modern game after the premises.
 
Worldie said:
My poor innocent soul, that's not how it works.

There's no such thing as "taking your time" on a strict release schedule which is the cause of all evils of Pokemon.

If GF was ever actually given "time to learn", we'd not have had the shitshow that Dexit was to delay SwSh enough to create the new animations.

And this is what I referred with "they will need a moveset reset"



Gen 8 is nearing the 2 year old mark. Gen 9 will be somewhere in the end of 2022.
Even if we're able to use the BDSP / AL pokes in SwSh, I significantly doubt it'll be for more than a VGC season or two, and won't be for quite a while anyway, so don't get your hopes up.

(Besides... it's not like the pokemon coming back are going to make much of a splash. I can't think of any of the returning Pokemon that have been viable in VGC)

I think keeping distance from this Franchise would benefit pretty much everyone who had any expectation for BDSP being a polished high quality AAA modern game after the premises.
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Well in this case my reply was less "get hopes up" and more "if this happens, then mark reset is required"



you know the sad thing is I'm pretty sure SWSH was delayed and it wouldn't surprise me if covid meant unannounced delays for both BDSP & LA. Granted covid delays are a bit...different, and more of a "forced pause" depending on the company.
 
R_N said:
you know the sad thing is I'm pretty sure SWSH was delayed and it wouldn't surprise me if covid meant unannounced delays for both BDSP & LA. Granted covid delays are a bit...different, and more of a "forced pause" depending on the company.
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Well, no matter what the state of SwSh and BDSP/AL development was at the start of 2020, there's no denying Covid definitely hurt what potentially was an already slow development.

Remember that usually games start development about 3 years before their releases (sometimes more). It's safe to assume that BDSP and AL were in early development when Covid started as well.
 
TrainerX493 said:
So here are the moves that are now usable, which were previously disabled in the current version of Sword/Shield:

Chatter
Dark Void
Flash
Heart Swap
Hidden Power
Judgment
Psycho Boost
Rock Climb
Seed Flare
Sketch
Toxic Thread
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Tail Glow too, no? (It wasn't disabled in 1.0 or 1.1 but was disabled in 1.2)
 
Ok I gotta get going on other things but here's a few more questions I have

1) We know Darkrai and Shaymin events from DPPt are in, but can they be accessed at any time i.e. VC GSC Celebi or are they still locked?
2) There's a lot of conflicting info on the function of Ramanas Park, can I get a clear breakdown?
3) How are the DS sounds unlocked?
4) Pls gibe the fucking full trainer rosters I need them I already asked i know but idc gimme gimme

R_N said:
you know the sad thing is I'm pretty sure SWSH was delayed
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What makes you think this? Just out of curiosity
 
Yung Dramps said:
What makes you think this? Just out of curiosity
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Eh, I thought you could just look at recent release dates but checking them I noticed that they are quite "normal"...

If we consider LGPE as its own thing, there's been always 1 year between "in gen" and 3 years between each gen release.
The only year that lacked some release was 2015 as there was no title between ORAS and SM.

XY: Oct 12 2013
ORAS: Nov 21 2014
SM: Nov 18 2016
USUM: Nov 17 2017
LGPE: Nov 16 2018
SwSh: Nov 15 2019
(DLC fully released on Oct 22 2020)
BDSP: Nov 19 2021

If schedule keeps at it we could expect gen 9 in approximately a year as well, in fact
 
Worldie said:
My poor innocent soul, that's not how it works.

There's no such thing as "taking your time" on a strict release schedule which is the cause of all evils of Pokemon.

If GF was ever actually given "time to learn", we'd not have had the shitshow that Dexit was to delay SwSh enough to create the new animations.
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At least by giving BDSP to another company to work on, it frees them up to devote more time and resources to the games they produce themselves. It is a sign that they are trying to fix or at least deal with their strict time schedule. Does it mean it will fix things immediately? Probably not. It will likely be a few years before this pays off, and they might even need to bring another company in. It's something at least.
 
Worldie said:
I think keeping distance from this Franchise would benefit pretty much everyone who had any expectation for BDSP being a polished high quality AAA modern game after the premises.
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I am getting this game because I remember playing DPP with a close friend (if they weren't getting it I wasn't thinking about this) during my early teens and the game lets me use similar teams without the worries of gen 8 cancerfests. Recollecting Kurt Balls like in HG/SS is also neat I suppose and I have young nieces and nephews who don't even know what Pokemon in gen 4 look like. As a franchise, though, I completely stopped caring by gen 7 and from someone who completely skipped out on gen 8. Only get this game if you're interested in reliving something similar because quite frankly by gen 6 the main series feels insultingly mediocre.
 
Worldie said:
I think keeping distance from this Franchise would benefit pretty much everyone who had any expectation for BDSP being a polished high quality AAA modern game after the premises.
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My expectations started and ended with how many Pokemon would remain/become dexited. If they were to all come back, then I'd lean towards actually having to consider investing time/money. It's a bare min, but that's all I've ever really needed. As that's highly unlikely (especially considering this leak), BDSP is probably not something I'll end up getting.

On the plus side, this leak seems so absolute that if you don't want to give TPC any money but want still to play it, you'll be able to. Writing the game in Unity is just wild - any hacking/emulation is far easier and people already have the game running before launch. I fully support anyone who refuses to put up with TPC/Nintendo's scummy tactics anymore.
 
Yung Dramps said:
Ok I gotta get going on other things but here's a few more questions I have

1) We know Darkrai and Shaymin events from DPPt are in, but can they be accessed at any time i.e. VC GSC Celebi or are they still locked?
2) There's a lot of conflicting info on the function of Ramanas Park, can I get a clear breakdown?
3) How are the DS sounds unlocked?
4) Pls gibe the fucking full trainer rosters I need them I already asked i know but idc gimme gimme
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You're not going to like these answers
1. We don't know
2. We don't really know the full specifics but it appears that the Park has access to various spots to get assorted Legendary (/Mythical...??) pokemon. It also appears that these rooms are linked to specific Slates you can find............somewhere. The slates dont seem to have images yet, so maybe they're not properly implemented in this build?
3. We don't know
What makes you think this? Just out of curiosity
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Wel lI mean they announced it at e3 2017 for release in 2018 and clarified later that Let's Go was not the game announced there so...
 
Yung Dramps said:
3) How are the DS sounds unlocked?
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This text is in the scenario2 txt file, basically beat the champion and talk to the gamefreak people.
1913 1222 117-msg_l02_sounddesigner_01 I am the Sound Designer! I compose music for games. Wow! You beat the Sinnoh Champion! That’s great! I’ll give you something cool for that.
1969 1223 117-msg_l02_sounddesigner_02 You obtained the DS Sounds!
1970 1224 117-msg_l02_sounddesigner_03 DS is a thing with two screens that opens up... Oh, wait! That was a Nintendo DS! Turn it on and DS Sounds will let you hear some sounds from the old days. Enjoy the nostalgia of those sparkling memories!

Also this is in options, neat reference.
166 277 DP_options_878 EVERYONE HAPPY WI-FI CONNECTION
 
R_N said:
Wel lI mean they announced it at e3 2017 for release in 2018 and clarified later that Let's Go was not the game announced there so..
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It is possible that they were originally intending to have a release schedule similar to what they are doing with BDSP / AL (Let's go released in january, SwSh released in november of same year) but the development was too slow and they opted to release Let's Go on November and delay SwSh to the year after. But it's really just speculation there I'm afraid
 
BlizzardHero said:
On the plus side, this leak seems so absolute that if you don't want to give TPC any money but want still to play it, you'll be able to. Writing the game in Unity is just wild - any hacking/emulation is far easier and people already have the game running before launch. I fully support anyone who refuses to put up with TPC/Nintendo's scummy tactics anymore.
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The game is alright and pretty much what I wanted with some tiny complaints here and there. I'm just excited that this game might be playable on mediocre PCs fairly quickly and more importantly, the game is incredibly easy to mod so doing stuff like removing Fairy type, restoring and replacing newer moves, etc. can be done in actual minutes. A slightly retuned version of this game might actually be the definitive way to play DP for future generations, which excites me because the DS won't be accessible forever and making DS emulation feel comfortable for newcomers always felt difficult.
 
Worldie said:
It is possible that they were originally intending to have a release schedule similar to what they are doing with BDSP / AL (Let's go released in january, SwSh released in november of same year) but the development was too slow and they opted to release Let's Go on November and delay SwSh to the year after. But it's really just speculation there I'm afraid
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Yeah the BDSP/AL situation really stood out to me on that front. I've got various conspiracies & not much to go on, but I feel confident in thinking SWSH was delayed at least by some amount.

BlizzardHero said:
My expectations started and ended with how many Pokemon would remain/become dexited. If they were to all come back, then I'd lean towards actually having to consider investing time/money. It's a bare min, but that's all I've ever really needed. As that's highly unlikely (especially considering this leak), BDSP is probably not something I'll end up getting.

On the plus side, this leak seems so absolute that if you don't want to give TPC any money but want still to play it, you'll be able to. Writing the game in Unity is just wild - any hacking/emulation is far easier and people already have the game running before launch. I fully support anyone who refuses to put up with TPC/Nintendo's scummy tactics anymore.
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Incidentally....I feel that they just aren't ever going to have a game that has all the pokemon any more. I think even if LA has the remainder, gen 9 will still start off with some form of limited pokedex just by design (& then bring back some but not all as time goes on, then doing it agin for gen 10 and so on).

if this is your breaking point, the franchise is probably never going to bring you back
 
I knew when gen8 came out that we weren't going to have a game with every Pokémon included for quite a while, at least a couple generations. It'll be long enough that when they do have a main game with all the Pokémon included, it'll be the big "everyone is here" feature like Smash Bros Ultimate, and most people will be celebrating it because of how long it has been since gen7 where all of the Pokémon were included.
 
R_N said:
Yeah the BDSP/AL situation really stood out to me on that front. I've got various conspiracies & not much to go on, but I feel confident in thinking SWSH was delayed at least by some amount.


Incidentally....I feel that they just aren't ever going to have a game that has all the pokemon any more. I think even if LA has the remainder, gen 9 will still start off with some form of limited pokedex just by design (& then bring back some but not all as time goes on, then doing it agin for gen 10 and so on).

if this is your breaking point, the franchise is probably never going to bring you back
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Plus trying to program all the Pokémon all the times isn't going to lead anywhere at this rate, with 900+ species and forms combined to consider. It will result more and more clutters because of legacy items and moves and Abilities, which too many of the latter two being signatures lately.

Putting all Pokémon back alone isn't going to solve the rampant issues. What about the power creep still running rampant? Why haven't multiple low-tier Pokémon getting any significant buff (not one that are just stat buff without other compensations to make it work) and many annoyingly strong Pokémon not receiving a small nerf to become more reasonable to deal with? How comes the player has given way too many advantages over NPCs lately?

BDSP's better constructed movesets doesn't means much if the Forced All. EXP ends up making the player vastly overleveled no matter what, so it's clear there are many fundamental problems, both old and new.

Having all Pokémon in one game nowadays is only more feasible if spritework returns, or at the very least, very long development cycle, but we are not in an era where full NatDex is possible when you consider the development cycle and the bi-yearly-to-yearly release.
 
Samtendo09 said:
What about the power creep still running rampant? Why haven't multiple low-tier Pokémon getting any significant buff (not one that are just stat buff without other compensations to make it work) and many annoyingly strong Pokémon not receiving a small nerf to become more reasonable to deal with?
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Because they don't care much about balance. That's it. The competitive playerbase, at the end of the day, is a minority.
 
Samtendo09 said:
So, massive style-over-substance gap then?
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Basically

Even if the next game was a mere 200 pokemon i guarantee without a doubt they aren't going to do any substantial rebalancing. Power creep will always be a thing, there will always be a bunch of weak or mediocre Pokemon who wont get buffs, etc.









Okay if the next CORE game is a mere 200 pokemon. spiders arceus, which has an entirely new everything, is a statistical outlier and does not count regardless of how that shakes out.
 
R_N said:
Incidentally....I feel that they just aren't ever going to have a game that has all the pokemon any more. I think even if LA has the remainder, gen 9 will still start off with some form of limited pokedex just by design (& then bring back some but not all as time goes on, then doing it agin for gen 10 and so on).

if this is your breaking point, the franchise is probably never going to bring you back
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I think they could release a game that has all the pokemon eventually patched in, but not one that has them all on day 1. Which honestly I would be fine with. It keeps the game fresh over time, and its not like I will get all 1000 mons IV bred, EV and move tutored trained all that quickly.

But it would probably take a whole separate small team working on that for DLC, while Game Freak rushes to get the next main game or DLC out by Christmas. At least that would keep people buying Bank/Home subscriptions.

I could see an XY re-make with all the pokemon eventually programmed in. Its a region with notoriously little to do. Not many dungeons and puzzles to add. So they might have the time for it.
 
Aduro said:
I think they could release a game that has all the pokemon eventually patched in, but not one that has them all on day 1. Which honestly I would be fine with. It keeps the game fresh over time, and its not like I will get all 1000 mons IV bred, EV and move tutored trained all that quickly.

But it would probably take a whole separate small team working on that for DLC, while Game Freak rushes to get the next main game or DLC out by Christmas. At least that would keep people buying Bank/Home subscriptions.

I could see an XY re-make with all the pokemon eventually programmed in. Its a region with notoriously little to do. Not many dungeons and puzzles to add. So they might have the time for it.
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XY has more going on in it than I think people give it a fair stick but excuse me a moment while I turn to dust thinking about XY getting a remake

Something about the 3DS generation being old and in spitting distance kills me in a way DP being 14 or 15 years old does not. Brain cannot fathom it.
 
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