Pokemon Legends - Arceus - 28th Jan 2022 *Official Content Only*

[KaenSoul]

very cute.

Well, thats what happen when you dont help but still want to be the first one to get the reward.
They have been doing a great job with regional forms so far, the new Voltorb look much better than the one we know, and the type alone make it interesting, Electric/Grass is a good offensive combo and has a lot of potential as a defensive one.

 

[R_N]

Well. I mean. They haven't updated yet, because HOME isn't updated for BDSP yet. I'm pretty sure the assumption is that if it happens, it'll be alongside the HOME update for BDSP.

Yeah the general assumption has always been that, if it's going to happen, it will be alongside the Home update in 2022 that will add the support alongside BDSP & LA

Maybe it wont happen, but not happening now is kind of irrelevant.

Well, thats what happen when you dont help but still want to be the first one to get the reward.
They have been doing a great job with regional forms so far, the new Voltorb look much better than the one we know, and the type alone make it interesting, Electric/Grass is a good offensive combo and has a lot of potential as a defensive one.

It's really incredible what happy eye brows can do for a pokemon. Like the wood finish is nice but it really is entirely on the percieved personality from having eyebrows.

 

[Worldie]

The real question is what its signature thing will be and why will it be a grass type explosion

 

[Lord Godwin]

I'm curious if H-Voltorb get's any powder or spore moves. Taking into account possible high Speed it will be quite broken.

 

[R_N]

I am going to go through this thread before release and save off every single post about how broken something might be so we can have fun comparing it to the grim realities later

 

[Mad Ram]

Not like we could realistically use them in legitimate battles for a while. If they are added, it would most likely be to Nat Dex gen 8 if they don't patch SwSh to include the new mons, which isn't guaranteed by the way. Until then it's all just theorymonning especially since we don't know what the stat system is in this game and how it translates to the main series.

 

[Count Bleck]

I am going to go through this thread before release and save off every single post about how broken something might be so we can have fun comparing it to the grim realities later

Remember how people said Urshifu-rapid was the superior version or that Spectrier was going to be complete ass? Fun times.

 

[R_N]

Not like we could realistically use them in legitimate battles for a while. If they are added, it would most likely be to Nat Dex gen 8 if they don't patch SwSh to include the new mons, which isn't guaranteed by the way. Until then it's all just theorymonning especially since we don't know what the stat system is in this game and how it translates to the main series.

The proper stats, abilities will still likely be available (Meltan's were, as an example)and the LA movepool will likely give enough of a baseline so even if there's no update I imagine there'd be enough there to see how they'd "actually" perform

 

[AquaticPanic]

Do you think we will get the starters pre-lunch?

I believe Kalos and Galar starter final evos were hidden until the leaks.
Alola showed almost everything before the game premiere.

I feel like in a case like this, its important to show starters pre release. I wouldn't be nice for people to go into the game and pick a starter thinking its the evolution we are used to by now, only to instead get a completely new form that they might not like.

I'm expecting starters to be revealed very close to launch

 

[Bakugames]

only to instead get a completely new form that they might not like.

Wasnt that always the gamble with starters (other than alola... And kanto for at least 2 of them since they were on the cover LOL)? You pick a cute little guy and then its evo is either really cool or really bad in your opinion.

 

[Lord Godwin]

I feel like in a case like this, its important to show starters pre release. I wouldn't be nice for people to go into the game and pick a starter thinking its the evolution we are used to by now, only to instead get a completely new form that they might not like.

I'm expecting starters to be revealed very close to launch

Maybe they will reveal them (or at least as silhouettes) just before the release to hype the game even more and give a clue they will be different from orginalns

 

[Worldie]

Remember how people said Urshifu-rapid was the superior version or that Spectrier was going to be complete ass? Fun times.

I'm still fond of when people said the fossils were a joke and would be Untiered material

 

[Wishy]

I'm curious how they will explain Hisuian forms of starters when the starters are imported from outside Hisui. I'm not sold on the concept right now.

 

[R_N]

I'm curious how they will explain Hisuian forms of starters when the starters are imported from outside Hisui. I'm not sold on the concept right now.

It's going to be something like "Wow crazy they adapted to the environment super fast, we never knew this could happen"

 

[RocketSurgery]

I'm curious how they will explain Hisuian forms of starters when the starters are imported from outside Hisui. I'm not sold on the concept right now.

Mutations caused by Arc-phone radiation.

 

[KaenSoul]

I'm curious how they will explain Hisuian forms of starters when the starters are imported from outside Hisui. I'm not sold on the concept right now.

Same reason a Pikachu born in Alola using a Thunder Stone found in Alola will turn into a regular Raichu if it happens in a place that isnt Alola, or if two Fire-Type Ponyta that have never been in the wild have a baby in Galar the result will always be a Psychic-Type Ponyta. The place just make them evolve or be born a way even if there was no natural selection or any other natural process involved.
Their explanation for this case will be something like 'the Oshawott/Dewott that had to train in the harsh environment of Hisui evolve into a new kind of Samurott'.

 

[AquaticPanic]

I'm curious how they will explain Hisuian forms of starters when the starters are imported from outside Hisui. I'm not sold on the concept right now.

We already have regionals that aren't adaptations that happened over time actually:

Raichu evolves from Pikachu based on its diet, not Alola's environment. Its the local dishes that change its form. If a Pikachu in any other region was fed the same diet in other regions it'd still become Alolan Raichu, much like a Pikachu imported to Alola from other regions still can become Alolan Raichu

Exeggutor similarly evolves depending on hoe much sun Exeggcute gets before evolving. No matter where it comes from, if its exposed to Alola's harsher sun, it evolves into a new form

Marowak evolves as Cubone in Alola learn the local culture of fire dancers connecting with the deceased through their ritualistic dances. This is a change that happens because Cubone successfuly connects with its deceased mother through Alola's culture, not an adaptation of the species that happened over time.



The point being, we already have forms that aren't the species taking a long time to adapt to the region, but rather being raised differently thanks to the region's condition, resulting in a different finak evo. The starter are likely the same.

 

[R_N]

We already have regionals that aren't adaptations that happened over time actually:

Raichu evolves from Pikachu based on its diet, not Alola's environment. Its the local dishes that change its form. If a Pikachu in any other region was fed the same diet in other regions it'd still become Alolan Raichu, much like a Pikachu imported to Alola from other regions still can become Alolan Raichu

Exeggutor similarly evolves depending on hoe much sun Exeggcute gets before evolving. No matter where it comes from, if its exposed to Alola's harsher sun, it evolves into a new form

Marowak evolves as Cubone in Alola learn the local culture of fire dancers connecting with the deceased through their ritualistic dances. This is a change that happens because Cubone successfuly connects with its deceased mother through Alola's culture, not an adaptation of the species that happened over time.



The point being, we already have forms that aren't the species taking a long time to adapt to the region, but rather being raised differently thanks to the region's condition, resulting in a different finak evo. The starter are likely the same.

Cubone evolved into Marowak specifically because of environmental factors

the rich greenery of the Alola region is hard on Marowak. It controls fire to stay alive.

There are many Grass-type Pokémon—Marowak’s natural enemies—in the Alola region. This makes Alola a harsh environment for Cubone and Marowak. As a result, they live in close union with their partners. It’s said that their great care for their partners allowed them to gain something like a sixth sense and resulted in their changed form.

& incidentally Raichu is mostly just a joke...

Even Pokémon researchers don’t know why Raichu’s form changed in the Alola region. The people of Alola seem unconcerned by the question. Their guess: maybe it ate too many sweet and fluffy round pancakes!

Though with SWSH they decided okay fine we'll try to give an actual reason

It's believed that the weather, climate, and food of the Alola region all play a part in causing Pikachu to evolve into this form of Raichu.

Which incorporates vague environmental factors that might have affected it over time.


Anyway none of this matters because I can bring a Vulpix from Kanto and never bring it to the ice mountain and breed it with another Kanto Vulpix and it breeds an Alolan vulpix so after a certain point its just the region is magic as much as an environment causing changes in a pokemon.

 

[Ironmage]

Exeggutor similarly evolves depending on hoe much sun Exeggcute gets before evolving. No matter where it comes from, if its exposed to Alola's harsher sun, it evolves into a new form

Despite Alola being what it is, my first reaction to reading this was "That can't be right, Hoenn has the harshest sun. I mean seriously, the harshness of Alola's sun doesn't even apply the weather condition to battles, let alone reach apocalyptic levels."

Actually, looking it up, regular Eggy is more adapted to harsh sunlight since it gets chorophyll and Alolan Eggy doesn't. I really don't think there is a good complete explanation for regional variants being what they are.

 

[DrPumpkinz]

Actually, looking it up, regular Eggy is more adapted to harsh sunlight since it gets chorophyll and Alolan Eggy doesn't. I really don't think there is a good complete explanation for regional variants being what they are.

I don't think what abilities a Pokemon gets and doesn't get hold much water lore-wise. A Pokemon can only have three of them max, and they can have pretty significant gameplay ramifications, so whether or not they provide consistent lore with other Pokemon doesn't really seem like the kind of thing the devs care about, nor should they.

 

[R_N]

I don't think what abilities a Pokemon gets and doesn't get hold much water lore-wise. A Pokemon can only have three of them max, and they can have pretty significant gameplay ramifications, so whether or not they provide consistent lore with other Pokemon doesn't really seem like the kind of thing the devs care about, nor should they.

I would say that abilities are definitely influenced by a Pokemon's lore -but also- I agree that a Pokemon not having an ability isn't necessarily a knock against it


That said honestly exeggutor-a probably should have gotten chlorophyll considering its sun theming. Or solar power, perhaps. Not like Exeggutor doesnt have an empty ability slot....well that's for another thread.

 

[ScraftyIsTheBest]

Maybe it's a bit pedantic or nitpicky but Chlorophyll as an ability in terms of function is that if a Pokemon has it, it can move faster than normal, doesn't it? And the ability activates very situationally which means normally when the sunlight isn't strong most Pokemon who have it won't have it activated, but when it is activated either via another Pokemon summoning it the Pokemon with Chlorophyll becomes increasingly mobile.

I would suppose the reason Alolan Exeggutor doesn't have the ability itself is that it loses the attribute of increased mobility due to how tall it became. The natural sunlight of Alola caused Exeggutor to grow taller and taller until it became so tall (and so heavy) that the mon can't move very fast as a result. And since the sun in Alola is always at that level of strength such an ability is generally not one it ends up having since Alolan Exeggutor probably lost the ability to use sunlight to increase its energy in such a way that other Pokemon with Chlorophyll would have it. Whereas normal Kantonian Exeggutor are not that tall so they have to rely on sunlight when they can, even if it's not always available in such a manner like Alola's.

I dunno, maybe that explains it? After all, Alolan Exeggutor are practically like palm trees in terms of height and appearance and they can't seem to move all that fast. Abilities don't literally and completely align with the real world definition of the name after all in terms of what they allow the Pokemon to do.

 

[Hugin]

Rowlett is easy, the adaptation happens based on time, not location. Alolan Decidueye is ghost because the species it's based on IRL is extinct, Hisuian Decidueye is Grass/Flying(or whatever) because it's still alive 200 years ago.

They could use that with the other two as well, honestly. Unless we have canon information on what Typhlosion was like in the past, it's perfectly reasonable that it's Fire/Steel back then and Pure Fire now because of inbreeding or whatever, and just no one's mentioned it before.

 

[FeelingTrue]

Would also make a bit more sense for it to be Slugma.

The very credible leaker literally already confirmed that it's Goodra.

 

[Worldie]

I'm curious how they will explain Hisuian forms of starters when the starters are imported from outside Hisui. I'm not sold on the concept right now.

It's going to be something like "Wow crazy they adapted to the environment super fast, we never knew this could happen"

Plot twist, it's actually going to be the opposite: the Hisuian form is their original evolution, and they adapted in later years to new forms in the rest of the world.