NOC Bigvivor Mafia Game Thread Day 5

Besid
430. "no reads cause its day 1" is the main red flag here for me. I understand the sentiment since as a newbie it's hard to make any reads since we dont really know as much but I feel like even a "this person seems town" or "x is a little shaky" is something that you can share?



499. extremely confusing tbh and I'd appreciate other peoples takes on it. defending someone who's voting you after theyve been discredited is odd and I could easily see it as either him being town who's tring me and doesnt want me getting pushed for mistakenly pushing him OR scum who just wants me to think hes good and take my vote off him
So for the first part, I have like, very minor reads, but it’s mostly just me noticing stuff other people have already said, and I have like, no information about anyone on the player list in regards to how they play so like, I’ve specced you in an org, but not a Mafia where you play as either, if that makes sense.

For the second yeah that’s is me making a very tentative read that you have your own thought process for pushing me independent than Caff, maybe? Again it’s a very tentative read
 
i feel like my question about Texas wasn't unfounded, it just takes me a while to make my own decisions given the pace of this thread. also getting tagged four times about not being active makes me want to message more :psysad::psysad:
 
ok.
assuming nobody chews me out for using it, i'm going to say who the first scum is. i'll announce my lynch order when i hammer, and post my salad picture in that hammer also. anybody else who submits is getting massively lynched.

point is that either i live with the extra vote or scum nightkills me, i think both are pretty good for town and i've talked before on why i think it's good to have a strong NK target
I’m fine with the just having one person submit, just figured it would be fun since it’s early game but I get it. And I don’t know if you explained it in this thread but what is the benefit to having one person get likely killed, unless you have like an information gathering role.
 
okay idk how these are usually formatted but since I'm on mobile I'm just gonna write the numbers of the posts I'm talking about!

39-51. nothing super scummy here as far as I'm aware? just jumping in with normal conversational stuff. jumping in on the random voting kinda raises questions but its ultimately minor

57. kind of a strange question to ask? it's like "what am I doing that's making people believe I'm town" so he can get more information about his perception and use that to avoid suspicion


189, 431. both clarifications but also both general restatements that dont really move discussion forward too much. it's like he wants to insert himself into conversation so people see him being present but hes not actually contributing anything new

430. "no reads cause its day 1" is the main red flag here for me. I understand the sentiment since as a newbie it's hard to make any reads since we dont really know as much but I feel like even a "this person seems town" or "x is a little shaky" is something that you can share?

434. "what am I doing that's making you suspect me so i can course correct" similar to 57

436. this ones relatable tbh

438. minor but weird since whydon hasnt posted as much as some people

486-491. no real thoughts on these? 491 isnt bad but I'm not sure how to read the neutrality of it

499. extremely confusing tbh and I'd appreciate other peoples takes on it. defending someone who's voting you after theyve been discredited is odd and I could easily see it as either him being town who's tring me and doesnt want me getting pushed for mistakenly pushing him OR scum who just wants me to think hes good and take my vote off him

528. this one is understandable tbh

overall vizh has been posting but isnt really contributing his own perspective on things and it feels more like "hey guys I'm here! I'm helping!" hope this is what you're looking for and that it can help in any way! sorry if this is all just about of nonsense LMAO
I think a handful of people are kinda doing this. I'm mostly sniffing the "don't suspect me" tone of a few of their posts. Funnily enough none of these contain the main reason I voted Vizh.

I'd be happier with either M2H or Celever doing the salad thing btw. Idk which but I'd rather pick someone than have someone pick themselves.
 
Besid

So for the first part, I have like, very minor reads, but it’s mostly just me noticing stuff other people have already said, and I have like, no information about anyone on the player list in regards to how they play so like, I’ve specced you in an org, but not a Mafia where you play as either, if that makes sense.

For the second yeah that’s is me making a very tentative read that you have your own thought process for pushing me independent than Caff, maybe? Again it’s a very tentative read
Could you tell us the very minor reads you have on people?
 
Could you tell us the very minor reads you have on people?
Yeah sure

I think you’re probably town, just because of the apparent analysis of past games

Hal seems like town, and I kinda get the angle shooting thing but not as much the hesitancy to reveal the supposed information
(I didn’t really say this one because I don’t know if that’s like a taboo or something)

and Celever is probably town just by the hunting, but I don’t know, I am predominantly on mobile so it’s a little harder to compare like, messages with relative help provided to the thread, if that makes sense?

then like, Spiderz very soft scum mainly for consistent reads that I don’t seem to be connecting in my mind that seem a little over the place
(Which could likely to just be to inexperience)
 
Yeah sure

I think you’re probably town, just because of the apparent analysis of past games

Hal seems like town, and I kinda get the angle shooting thing but not as much the hesitancy to reveal the supposed information
(I didn’t really say this one because I don’t know if that’s like a taboo or something)

and Celever is probably town just by the hunting, but I don’t know, I am predominantly on mobile so it’s a little harder to compare like, messages with relative help provided to the thread, if that makes sense?

then like, Spiderz very soft scum mainly for consistent reads that I don’t seem to be connecting in my mind that seem a little over the place
(Which could likely to just be to inexperience)
the apparent analysis?
 
I think I'm interested in this read if there's anything there.
OK so I ISOed dave and I think this was p purely a tone read. Quite casual overall, but was furthering game state by applying a smattering of pressure too. He's town enough in that he should not be a D1 vote based on activity so far.
 
I think this is clearly a stream of consciousness which is inherently a little towny, but hal is experienced enough for that to be invalidated. Content-wise:

  • Claiming to think that roles weren't randomised is a little asinine considering this is a newbie-friendly, new era of mafia game. There is no universe in which roles aren't randomised because then the game becomes over-centralised around veterans, using hal's own analysis of how Tommy would distribute roles, which is directly alienating to newer players. This feels like a way to elevate importance and profile, and is one of the primary powerwolfing signs.
  • Highlighting that in the past there was a meta wherein hal's reads were given a huge sense of importance and legitimacy, in order to then invalidate that in this game, and then to later say he has a 99% accurate read is very inconsistent. Whether this is towny or scummy I'm not sure, but either way he's centralising discussion around himself a little. Before launching into the "should I angleshoot here or not" I would have said this was a way for him to lower his influence so that he can more confidently push bad scumreads due to his prior deligitimisation of his knowledge. With more recent posts it feels townier.
Ultimately it's very difficult to read into whether this is scummy or not. I stand by what I said when I just woke up where hal's precipitating a policy vote later in the game.

In that sense he might as well reveal his metaread now, IMO.
 
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