NOC Bigvivor Mafia Game Thread Day 5

ya he did well in the game I checked earlier. i do like their posting style this game so far and vibe with their inquisitive style honestly? i'll will take celever at their word on which they gave me earlier but it's so early in the game + other people are def def being weird that im not gonna think too hard about it rn
 
M2H said:
yo Nuxl thoughts on things I can do to get more scumreads? It would probably be the best thing for my game at this point.
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do you really need my help on this? :afrostar:

in ppl i know im just going about a general impression about how i think theyd post as an alignment

i think w the bunch of people who i havent played w before trying to see motivation right now and... ig general reactions? this is kind of vague but i dont wanna specify on what specifically yet cuz i dont wanna be thrown off by adaptation.

i could be wrong on things though, i think the threadstate has felt awkward and stiff for a good bit but i think once more people show up + we get reactions to THINGS it'll be clearer
 
Nuxl said:
do you really need my help on this? :afrostar:

in ppl i know im just going about a general impression about how i think theyd post as an alignment

i think w the bunch of people who i havent played w before trying to see motivation right now and... ig general reactions? this is kind of vague but i dont wanna specify on what specifically yet cuz i dont wanna be thrown off by adaptation.

i could be wrong on things though, i think the threadstate has felt awkward and stiff for a good bit but i think once more people show up + we get reactions to THINGS it'll be clearer
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Nah you don't understand. I want other people to read me as scum, for a very particular reason.
 
yeah. i'm trying to figure out how i want to approach last post of the day, since tommy is online on discord and will lock soon. normally i leave a towncore. but my real towncore is so weak that i almost dont want to focus attention on it. i townread m2h earlier but now i'm waffling reading the early pages of white flag 11p. i townread celever but apparently that's not as easy of a read as i thought and his most recent post about asking scum to shoot each other has a ton of scum motivation behind it. i could be wrong on dave. i'm pretty sure eli's town and that's really it in terms of "i would risk the game on this read"

i think i could be wrong in places, so i'll post my lynchlist instead

i do know that if this flips scum,
sam n2
texas n3

if sam flips town i'm pretty shocked, just because i don't know who else links that game in particular. maybe texas? i just don't see it. i think the possibility of sam being scum is much, much higher than the combined possibility of texas or DLE linking dead maf. so i just want him out of the game ASAP.

after that, i'd consider lynching haruno, but i think it's important to get the inactives early so that scum can't pare the game down to a state where town just doesn't know what to do anymore. i think it's really important for us to really engage town-leans like ayia into posting more. lynching scum is always good, but lynching it early is actually usually a bit worse than lynching late because you don't get as much in terms of interaction. we need to make sure that we're never put in a position where if we mislynch, the people we are relying on to lynch scum are like, for example ryo and sificon.

so yeah. not a great solve.
 
apricity said:
would love to hammer before tommy wakes up so that the game can proceed at a brisk pace. It's 24 players. Suppose 10 day/night cycles...that's a month and quite a long time for anyone to pay attention. Town apathy sets in much quicker and is much more dangerous than scum apathy.
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yeah u right

looks like i got ninjad on hammer but just in case people's count is bad or whatever

unvote dyo
vote hydreigon
 
apricity said:
yeah. i'm trying to figure out how i want to approach last post of the day, since tommy is online on discord and will lock soon. normally i leave a towncore. but my real towncore is so weak that i almost dont want to focus attention on it. i townread m2h earlier but now i'm waffling reading the early pages of white flag 11p. i townread celever but apparently that's not as easy of a read as i thought and his most recent post about asking scum to shoot each other has a ton of scum motivation behind it. i could be wrong on dave. i'm pretty sure eli's town and that's really it in terms of "i would risk the game on this read"

i think i could be wrong in places, so i'll post my lynchlist instead

i do know that if this flips scum,
sam n2
texas n3

if sam flips town i'm pretty shocked, just because i don't know who else links that game in particular. maybe texas? i just don't see it. i think the possibility of sam being scum is much, much higher than the combined possibility of texas or DLE linking dead maf. so i just want him out of the game ASAP.

after that, i'd consider lynching haruno, but i think it's important to get the inactives early so that scum can't pare the game down to a state where town just doesn't know what to do anymore. i think it's really important for us to really engage town-leans like ayia into posting more. lynching scum is always good, but lynching it early is actually usually a bit worse than lynching late because you don't get as much in terms of interaction. we need to make sure that we're never put in a position where if we mislynch, the people we are relying on to lynch scum are like, for example ryo and sificon.

so yeah. not a great solve.
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Also, last thing, a mass claim as early as 15p may not be a bad thing. If a cop has a guilty, or has 3 innocent results on alive people or 20% of the remaining PL, they should claim.
 
i'm done for the night. we've hammered and i'll wait until the next day starts to continue reading things.

here's my last post

apricity said:
yeah. i'm trying to figure out how i want to approach last post of the day, since tommy is online on discord and will lock soon. normally i leave a towncore. but my real towncore is so weak that i almost dont want to focus attention on it. i townread m2h earlier but now i'm waffling reading the early pages of white flag 11p. i townread celever but apparently that's not as easy of a read as i thought and his most recent post about asking scum to shoot each other has a ton of scum motivation behind it. i could be wrong on dave. i'm pretty sure eli's town and that's really it in terms of "i would risk the game on this read"

i think i could be wrong in places, so i'll post my lynchlist instead

i do know that if this flips scum,
sam n2
texas n3

if sam flips town i'm pretty shocked, just because i don't know who else links that game in particular. maybe texas? i just don't see it. i think the possibility of sam being scum is much, much higher than the combined possibility of texas or DLE linking dead maf. so i just want him out of the game ASAP.

after that, i'd consider lynching haruno, but i think it's important to get the inactives early so that scum can't pare the game down to a state where town just doesn't know what to do anymore. i think it's really important for us to really engage town-leans like ayia into posting more. lynching scum is always good, but lynching it early is actually usually a bit worse than lynching late because you don't get as much in terms of interaction. we need to make sure that we're never put in a position where if we mislynch, the people we are relying on to lynch scum are like, for example ryo and sificon.

so yeah. not a great solve.
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here's my new player guide:
apricity said:
I debated whether or not to post this because I think I'm going to post this and some scum behavior is going to change in subtle ways. But there are new people in the game and I'm just being a pussy.

How to read people in mafia:

  1. Meta
  2. Duress
  3. Motivation

There are lots of philosophies around how to make reads on people in mafia games. Here is mine.

The first thing that you’re doing is to assign behavior to alignment. Let’s say we have a person, where when he’s town he always does action X, and when he’s scum he always does action Y. You know this because of the many games in the past where this pattern has held. He now performs action X. For that reason, I would consider that person town.

This is really the gold standard of reading people, a map of actions to alignment for each individual person. But you can’t use this if you don’t have such a map to begin with, and you can’t use it if the last game you’ve played with that person was 2 years ago so you don’t know how accurate your map is.

The second thing that you’re doing is observing duress. People, with few exceptions, don’t like lying. It kind of sucks. People enjoy being liked and being truthful, and people who are lying are under duress. It’s much more comfortable for scum to chat in scumchat than in the thread, because they don’t have to lie. Find signs of duress. People exemplify it in different ways. Some people get defensive, others leave the thread, others get really aggressive. A lot of duress is displayed tonally.

The final thing you’re doing is mapping actions to motivation. Town is trying to puzzle solve, and their posts should be viewed to that end. Scum is trying to not lynch scum. You can view actions performed in the game and guess at which motivation drives which actions. This is especially helpful after seeing flips.

How to use power roles:
Vig: shoot people who are going to get lynched anyway. Don’t shoot your scumreads unless you’re very sure. Shoot who town looks like they’re about to lynch

Doctor: protect PRs and TRs

Alignment cop: use cops on people you have no read on, who might also be useful to know the alignment of. so don’t use cops on people who are heavily SR’d. You’re looking for guilties on people who might coast for a long time

Rolecop: Instead of caring about your own reads like you would as an alignment cop, go for who you think is globally scumread. You’re essentially trying to keep ahead of the lynch train. If someone is getting lynched soon, you would expect them to claim as they get run up. Sometimes scum can claim something like town doctor or cop to at least flush out a counterclaim before you die. But you’re a rolecop. You’re fucking useless. So if the wagon starts getting pushed off, you can at the worst case come out with a counterclaim so that the real cop/dr can stay hidden. Ideally you don’t claim, and just try to influence the wagon.

Watcher/Trackers: You’re trying to get guilty results. You should watch people who are likely to be NK’d, you should track people who are likely to carry out NKs (scumreads, but usually the least suspected one of your scumreads). You’re trying to track people to dead people, and watch dead people get killed.

Item gifters: Give them to strong townreads who you don’t think are likely to die soon. If the scum strongman has been lynched, then give it to your strongest townread since that’s likely who the doctor will protect.

VTs: Provide cover for power roles. Ideally, all of the loudest and most townread people in the game should be VTs, and all of the PRs should be very middle of the road. Then scum has no idea who to kill.
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