SPOILERS! Pokemon Legends: Arceus *Leak Thread*

Forms are different from location data.

You will likely be able to take a Rotom from SWSH to Home to BDSP, or a Rotom from LA to Home to BDSP

You will almost certainly not be able to take Hisui Arcanine from LA to Home To BDSP and wont be able to take an Alolan Sandshrew from SWSH to Home to BDSP
Yeah no, I just meant that it was probable that you coud bring Mons from PLA to BDSP. Not all the Mons, only old one, is highly probable.
 
Since this is a singular game, what determines whether you receive Palkia or Dialga? Or can you get both?

Just want to make sure I make the right choices in game to get the one I want.
 
Doesn't really take a leaker for this.
If GF sticks to the regular release schedule, Gen 9 will come out this autumn/winter and we'll likely hear an announcement of it somewhere around May or June.
Somewhere around May or June and not on Pokemon day? Tail end of February seems more likely as an announcement date to me with the reveals starting in May/June. Also I cant help but wonder if January releases will be the norm going forward since it is likely Legends was pushed back a bit due to 'Rona.
 
Apparently Slow start is hard coded.

Poor gigas...

Hey at least it got its time to shine in last year VGC. That's more than it can say for like... all of its existance of complete unviability.

Somewhere around May or June and not on Pokemon day? Tail end of February seems more likely as an announcement date to me with the reveals starting in May/June. Also I cant help but wonder if January releases will be the norm going forward since it is likely Legends was pushed back a bit due to 'Rona.
A very short teaser and nothing else is plausible. They did that for SwSh so...

I don't think the January release is really the norm. Legend Arceus isnt a mainseries title, doesnt introduce a new generation so doesn't have to follow the schedule. I'd expect gen 9 release to mimick SwSh and BDSP (and the previous title) with a late autumn release really.
 
Apparently Slow start is hard coded.

Please tell me that at the very least the ability's severity was reduced
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Some idiotic predicting all the new pokemons' overused viability from their stats and abilities
Most likely good:
Enamorus variants- As long as it gets a good boosting move, incarnate will be minimum OU due to contrary. Therian is more dicey but it's stats are good enough that i'm willing to bet it will be ou
Sneasler- 130/120 is really good so most likely good but can be meta / movepool dependent considering it's stab combination is utterly crapped by poison types, meaning it has a real chance of making no progress against one of the meta titans toxapex.
Edit- It also is hard walled by lando / gliscor by virtue of the stab combination so more dicey now. At the very least, it has to choose between getting walled by lando or pex which is...not good.
Goodra- Incredible stats and a neat typing. The lack of a proper special weakness complements it's bulk nicely. A reliable recovery move will most likely solidify it as ou but nice utility moves can also work as a substitute given kommo-o's past success.
Zoroark- 3 immunities to work with makes illusion mind games very likely to be deadly. Also has 125/ 110 speed with a cool offensive typing and stab shadow ball. Honestly, I can't see it not being ou but perhaps the bulk will make using it inconsistent.
Ursaluna- Enormous stats and a stellar offensive typing. However, slow hard hitting tanks' viability are often hard to predict so can be wrong here.

Can be good:
Overqwil- Typing is solid both offensively and defensively with a mixture of good bulk, power and speed. Most likely a rain mon but maybe intimidate hazard variants can also have a niche.
Basculegion- Bulkier crawdaunt. Fuck, if it only had good speed...Movepool might save it.

Most likely unviable
Decidueye- No standout traits and shit speed.
Typhlosion- Blacephalon.
Samurott- No standout traits.
Arcanine- Shit typing defensively on what looks like a defensive focused mon. Ofensively ok but will most likely be landorus / chomp food.
Electrode- No bulk and power
Liligant- Hustle mons are never reliable and it's stab combination is lackluster. Can have a place in the low c ranks depending on meta.
Braviary- No standout traits.
Avalugg- Shit typing on a defensive mon.
Wyrdeer- Bad typing and stat spread.
Kleavor- Typing is bad and cannot abuse sheer force with stabs.
Stone Axe and Stone Edge have a high crit chance, it's boosted by Sheer Force
 
You do realize that GF never ever buffed or nerfed based on smogon, they never cared if VGC is filled of legendaries, and these changes like Let's Go's are unique to Legend Arceus?
I'm aware, yes, and I misspoke. I only meant that, regardless of intention from GF, these changes could result in less legends being in the tiers seeing as now they can take more hits and a lot of legendary specific moves like steam eruption, double iron bash, surging strikes, and fleur cannon (possibly relevant for the new genie), and so on have the same base power.

I also did mention the possibility of these being PLA specific changes, but I don' believe they will be considering some of these moves with base stat changes aren't usable in game (Flip turn, poltergeist, dragon tail, triple axel, glacial lance, etc). It wouldn't make sense to make these changes if they weren't here to stay considering they aren't usable in game.
 
Stone Axe and Stone Edge have a high crit chance, it's boosted by Sheer Force
high crit chance has never been a secondary effect boosted by sheer force before why would it be now lol

I don't think the January release is really the norm. Legend Arceus isnt a mainseries title, doesnt introduce a new generation so doesn't have to follow the schedule. I'd expect gen 9 release to mimick SwSh and BDSP (and the previous title) with a late autumn release really.

I feel like "people here" and "Game Freak" have very different ideas of what constitutes a main series title
 
Somewhere around May or June and not on Pokemon day? Tail end of February seems more likely as an announcement date to me with the reveals starting in May/June. Also I cant help but wonder if January releases will be the norm going forward since it is likely Legends was pushed back a bit due to 'Rona.
Announcing gen ix a month after the release of legends feels like something that would kills sale for arceus. I'd expect halfway through the year for sure.
 

Looks to be Palkia-regular fighting against Dialga-Lord. It would be a decent guess to say we're picking one of the clans to ally with and the other goes off the rails.
This seems to be the second encounter.
According to what I can gather from the text dumps....

The first time, after Kamado kicked you, you took missions to make Red Chain, and then use it to catch one of the Dragons, depending on the clan you chose to side with earlier. After catching that Dragon and breaking the chain, the other Dragon came and forced you and your team to retreat. This is first encounter.

The video seems to be second encounter since the Dragon protected you from the Lord one, likely implying it's one you have caught.
 
Somewhere around May or June and not on Pokemon day? Tail end of February seems more likely as an announcement date to me with the reveals starting in May/June. Also I cant help but wonder if January releases will be the norm going forward since it is likely Legends was pushed back a bit due to 'Rona.

It's not out of the question for such a thing to happen really. While it's only really been the case for remakes and upper versions, HGSS was announced in May 2009, ORAS was announced in May 2014, and USUM was announced in June 2017. Let's Go Pikachu and Eevee were also announced in May 2018. Granted, new generation debuts have usually been pretty early, with XY being announced in January of its year, and SM and SwSh were on Pokemon Day of their respective debuts, but the prospect of the announcement being in May or June is not out of the question. They've done late Q2 announcements before, and they could very well do it again.

Not to mention PLA would only be a month old by the tail end of February. It needs a good deal more time in the spotlight for sales and attention, announcing Gen 9 too soon would kill off the attention towards it way too quickly.

I don't think the January release is really the norm. Legend Arceus isnt a mainseries title, doesnt introduce a new generation so doesn't have to follow the schedule. I'd expect gen 9 release to mimick SwSh and BDSP (and the previous title) with a late autumn release really.

Eh, it's a mainline game technically since GF as a rule doesn't do non-mainline titles. It's more like LGPE where it's mainline but practically doing its own thing in several ways, so it's a non-traditional mainline title in that sense. Like Let's Go, Legends could be the start of its own subseries within the core series. It's basically another Gen 8 mainline game in and of itself, even if it's not the primary competitive format and SwSh will continue to perform that function. Right down to the text font and artstyle being similar.
 
Somewhere around May or June and not on Pokemon day? Tail end of February seems more likely as an announcement date to me with the reveals starting in May/June. Also I cant help but wonder if January releases will be the norm going forward since it is likely Legends was pushed back a bit due to 'Rona.
Gamefreak is going to do everything it can to drop mainline games in the fall for holiday sales.
 
high crit chance has never been a secondary effect boosted by sheer force before why would it be now lol

You're right. I'd be shocked if it didn't get Rock Slide, though, which does work with Sheer Force.

Thoughts on Kleavor? Sheer force with a base 135 attack and 85 speed seems like a legit threat in competitive.

I don’t see it being OU.

Far worse than Scizor and the Rock typing is doing it no favors but I imagine it'll function as a nasty wallbreaker in the lower tiers with any of Band, LO, or SD sets.

Relevant calcs (updating):

252+ Atk Choice Band Sheer Force Scizor Rock Slide vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Skarmory: 154-183 (46.1 - 54.7%) -- 60.5% chance to 2HKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Sheer Force Scizor Rock Slide vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Celesteela: 262-310 (65.8 - 77.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ Atk Choice Band Sheer Force Scizor Rock Slide vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Slowbro-Galar: 202-238 (51.2 - 60.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252+ Atk Choice Band Scizor U-turn vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Tangrowth: 240-284 (59.4 - 70.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Sheer Force Scizor Rock Slide vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Tangrowth: 168-198 (41.5 - 49%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Sheer Force Scizor Rock Slide vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey: 358-423 (50.8 - 60%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

In current UU it can just click Rock Slide and either OHKO or 2HKO every non-resist with Rock Slide. The relevant Sheer Force eligible moves we can reasonably hope for based on lore, appearance, typing, and Scyther/Scizor movepools:

  • Lunge, which is a Bug STAB that neither Scyther nor Scizor gets but would very much make sense (252+ Atk Choice Band Sheer Force Scizor Lunge vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Tangrowth: 356-420 (88.1 - 103.9%) -- 25% chance to OHKO) confirmed not in the game
  • Skitter Smack, which is a slightly weaker Bug STAB confirmed not in the game
  • Bulldoze, which is a 60 BP Ground move that could be decent coverage
  • Cross Poison (A slashing attack with a poisonous blade that may also poison the target. Critical hits land more easily.)
It could also end up with Head Smash, which is not Sheer Force boosted. Scizor gets Iron Head.

Kleavor @ Choice Band
Sheer Force
Adamant Nature
252 Atk/252 Spe/4 SpD or can also run a bulky spread w/ max HP
  • Rock Slide
  • X-Scissor
  • Cross Poison if it gets it/Bulldoze if it gets it/Knock Off
  • U-Turn

Kleavor @ Life Orb
Sheer Force
Adamant Nature
252 HP/252 Atk/4 Spe
  • Rock Slide
  • X-Scissor
  • Cross Poison/Bulldoze/Knock Off
  • Swords Dance
 
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With all respect, you are nuts if you were expecting the Hisuian starters were going to be on [Greninja's, Blacephalon's] level.

So I realize I just made this post shilling trying to temper some unfair criticisms of the Hisuian starters, but even I have to ask what the hell is up with Hisuian Decidueye's statline. Like actually, for a moment, take a look at this thing and drink it in.

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The new owl is:
  • One of five Grass/Fighting Pokémon.
  • Slower and less powerful than Breloom.
  • Slower and less bulky than Chesnaught. Yes, you read that right.
  • Released in direct competition with the faster Hisuian Lilligant, whose lower BST is offset by Hustle.
Unless Triple Arrows continues to be the God Move we think it is, the only thing this bird has going for it is Roost vs. Synthesis.

I'm reminded of a vision shared by our own MrHands a decent while ago.

Imagine being an owl from another land, the first of a new race adapted to this unconquered shore.
You are a hallowed animal that can nock an arrow in 0.1 seconds and a friend of humankind against the harsh wilds.
What do the humans say?
"Worse than Chesnaught."

Young Rowlet everywhere have nothing to aim for on the battlefield.
 
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I feel like "people here" and "Game Freak" have very different ideas of what constitutes a main series title
Gamefreaks will call anything that isnt a mobile game or XD/Coliseum "main series" because they want them to sell, and "main series" will always sell more than "spinoff"

Realistically speaking, when people speak of "main series", they refer to the mainline games + their remakes (Let's Go excluded), which stick to the core formula and core gameplay with no alterations.
 
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