NOC Bigvivor Mafia Game Thread Day 5

Texas Cloverleaf said:
i think the best way to organize thihs is in the form of a reads list


Ayia - has not contributed

Apricity - is dead

CaffeineBoost - Caff I have a weird read on in the sense that I didn't get much in the way of tonal pings, I didn't get much in the way of motivation pings, and I didn't get a whole lot of independent content from them to push my read one way or the other. That said contextually I found a few interesting things the summarize to a town lean. 1) post 179 gave a possible partner equity ping with M2H that in combination with 2) what I see as M2Hs aggressive buddying on posts 102 and 232 as well as M2Hs reaction to Hals release of pressure on 108 jumping off the Caff wagon, itself combining with 3) Hal's own read on Caff which I believe him when he says is generally accurate leads me to a general view of Caff acting without individual agenda being guided at the hand of M2H - pocketed in other words.

Celever - Primarily what I get out of celever is a mindset read that is very consistent with a town perspective. Beginning in post 501 with a post outlining a methodology for good mafia play to the newer players which wasn't truly alignment indicative but was a very good post nonetheless, followed up with a strong mindmeld in p553 regarding Psy's alignment. By p575 I made a note that celever had been consistently calling for open sharing of information which while not +town EV is consistent with the limited knowledge mindset that a town has. All this together with the last few hours of conversation reevaluating reads, making pushes with me, expanding our game state knowledge, cel is lock town for me.

Clouds - I was having a really hard time reading Clouds. Below is a summary of my logs:
p673 third or fourth time clouds making very empty reads posts, no real justification to the alignment calls
nvm p679 has actual reasoning for nuxl, still not much depth though
p681 oh i think i get it is clouds a himbo?

Strong town lean


Da Letter El - I gleaned no valuable information from DLEs posts. Not good.

Dave - hard to read but what stuck out for me with Dave was tone. p439 tone ping for a weird response to an early wagon on him, p607 tone Red Flag for an extremely stuff response to a pretty innocuous question by Nuxl; then p702 an interesting post interacting with M2H, unclear if legit or staged. Scum lean and a-ok voting here.

Drookez - has not posted

Dyo - Tone read again, getting strong newb town trying to contribute vibes. p543 reads hard like a fish out of water situation but more importantly with clear independent thought, p691 reinforced both of these impressions.

Haruno - mason buddy, town core

HydrogenHydreigon - ded af

Laurel - did not contribute d1, has not made an impression on me today

Nuxl - biggest surprise was here with how light in content nuxl generated for how much posts they had, p405 was the funniest thing posted in this thread, at p605 I made note that Nuxl hadn't pinged any of my alignment indicators, lots of questions and discussion indicators but curiously NAI, need to interact with this slot more

Psypsypsypsypsythe - lock town, his posts are way to pure and I refuse to believe someone could fake his posting style, p288 was a big tone tell for me, p447 too

Realiti - I really really really really want to town read them cause they're the only person who actually "saw" me d1 and I really want to believe they were on the same vibe as I was buuuuut I'm also cognizant of potential buddying and it would be easy potential equity to do that with p657, p933, and p978. I THINK they're town but I can't in good conscious lock them, so town lean.

Ryo - no recollection of them making any posts

Shadowpea - no logs of their posts nor recollection of any of them tbh :S, mostly fish out of water type posts that could come as either alignment, same holds true for Vizh

Sificon - claimed arsonist

Spiderz - hardest townread aside from haruno, mind meld in p223, mega mind meld in p247-250, the only other person calling out m2h big ups in p293, a possible slip by M2H supporting derz even further in p379, another mind meld with p596, the person I feel most in tune with on the game state right now

UncleSam + Yeti (Hydra, they will be treated as one player) - not much from them, thought I had a tonal read on p360 but by p373 i thought it was a bad LHF read and they havent contributed enough to get much more than that

Vizh - see Shadowpea but I need to follow up with whoever thought they found a slip

Whydon - apparently I made a note that I can't historically read Whydon, mostly just have confused notes about p550 and p727 as a particularly good read


had to halfass near the end running out of time


M2H last, have to just drop the logs and get ready to get off

m2h begins push p54 - soft sr me from the second vote in thread
hal hard trs caff p102
m2h jumps off caff v easily p108
m2h pushes 185 - activity, soft sr
pushes caught scum narrative p209
more push on me p234
check back on p242 m2h scum equity?
p379 RED FLAG M2H KNOWLEDGE SLIPS SPIDERZ TOWN??
p514 weak sr reasoning US
p519 big scum manip equity, funny how m2h ended up being that 'town representative'
p525 continues to push me
p688 +1 m2h push on me
p1006 m2h has officially hard scummed me after a day cycle of 'not giving a shit about mafia'



My read: M2H is scum and is pushing me as a mislynch because they're scared of me actually trying and think I'm an easy slot to push out of the game, even further exacerbated by that godawful push earlier today
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this is just off of d1 right

i wont see the answer unless you reply in 5 seconds, im gioing to bed, gn guys or morning or wherever yall are
 
CaffeineBoost said:
M2H is the one who thought they had a slip, I pressured it and thought the slip was genuine but I'm not willing to push it w/o knowing what M2H is.
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The slip is not good at all. It's definitely poor wording and I can see how an inexperienced player might harp on that and think it's a slip, but Vizh has legit done much scummier things than that p bad wording.
 
Sigh I come back from work to like 40 pages

There's literally no shot I am reading through all of that

These are pretty much the dynamics I am seeing rn:
Haruno + Texas claiming twin pair
Celever continuing to buddy / sheep texas around like a loyal pet
CaffeineBoost seeming to also want to get in on the sheeping action
Everybody deciding to ignore the claimed 3p serial killer
All of the above randomly pushing onto M2H because....M2H was pocketing Celever early? Or something?

If I missed something important can someone please fill me in.

I think the M2H push is awful and am generally TRing him, and was pretty suspicious of Celever + Texas earlier anyway. So I'm pretty sure that right now scum is just capitalizing on a town that has probably 3 active players in it to dominate discussion.

I'm not sure where my vote is right now but the first agenda item is to stop a terrible push onto M2H. Even if we knew a 100% mafia I'd argue that voting the 3p serial killer is a higher priority (a SK who can literally only kill villagers effectively, btw), and after thinking through things more I really do not think this role helps village at all. I had been thinking there could be some auxiliary benefit to seeing if some people started randomly posting more or getting pinged more to see if maybe scum buddies were pushing an idler teammate to post more, but then I realized that idle town might well react in exactly the same way so I just don't think we will gain valuable information that way.

I'd love to vote Texas or Celever here (or Haruno or Caffeine tbh) but the 3p SK has to come first. It'll be funny watching the mafia try to do cartwheels in this thread to justify why offing one of the few active players (who is also probably my strongest town read) is better than offing a SK who can only kill villagers, but I'm sure they will try.

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Vote Sificon

One other thing: a few times Nuxl has pinged me or mentioned me asking about my meta / if anybody knows whether I prefer OCs or NOCs. Da Letter El I think you've played with me enough to be able to confirm that I am very much an OC player who does not like the psychoanalytics portion of NOCs in the slightest. Also I'm pinging you to try to get you off your ass because I need more people analyzing things today I'm pretty sure most of the narrative today has been scum-driven and am starting to think this game might just be cursed

- Friendly Hydra
 
UncleSam said:
One other thing: a few times Nuxl has pinged me or mentioned me asking about my meta / if anybody knows whether I prefer OCs or NOCs. Da Letter El I think you've played with me enough to be able to confirm that I am very much an OC player who does not like the psychoanalytics portion of NOCs in the slightest. Also I'm pinging you to try to get you off your ass because I need more people analyzing things today I'm pretty sure most of the narrative today has been scum-driven and am starting to think this game might just be cursed

- Friendly Hydra
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sam hates the psychoanalysis stuff it is true can confirm
 
There are so many slots that have combined scum equity pending a flip at this point. The past ten pages have definitely been useful regarding content generation. I'm just at the point wherein there are so many associations that I can't really piece anything together without flips.

Perhaps to my disservice, I find most of the people that are pushing me scummy to some degree or at least see associations between them that are scummy.

Haruno/Texas is a confusing pairing in that Texas has a huge degree of scum equity independently, and while Haruno is a slot that I'm inclined to TR on a base level, the way they responded to Texas' claim is a little bit strange. Previously Haruno was expressing suspicion that their partner may be scum, or even that a t/s pairing is the most likely situation. While I personally have no idea what is likely from a role perspective, the fact that Texas (who Haruno was previously, albeit perhaps begrudgingly was voting before ) claimed a role that Haruno previously expressed had role scum equity and Haruno responded by completely flipping on them is extremely strange to me.

Another interaction that I find suspicious is Riyz/CaffeineBoost. I floated the idea of a Ritz slip with a great degree of caution, and CaffeineBoost fixated on that point to a degree that I see some scum equity in this pairing. While I personally still read CaffeineBoost as town, in the event of a Riyz/CaffeineBoost scum sip, I'm inclined to suspect the other.

I find Laurel's frequent but persistent mentioning of me pretty peculiar. I'm not exactly sure what to think of it at this stage. I get that he tends to rely on typical power-towny types, but to the degree to which he's doing it this game is strange to me.

UncleSam's previous indication of a Celever/Texas relationship equity seems valid in the current context of the thread. Celever seems attached at the hip to Texas at this point, and has expressed points that on all levels are just bad. I'm genuinely unsure whether there is something to this or my previous understanding of Celever as a naive and kinda illogical townie is simply manifesting itself here in an unfortunate way. For the record I think UncleSam/Laurel have some degree of scum equity in a world where Haruno/M2H/Texas is t/t/t in that they are both positioning themselves on my side which is a stretch but potential strategy of the scum team tbh (maybe genuinely, maybe attempting to generate future goodwill?).

Overall, this game is making me hella paranoid at the moment so to some extent I'm seeing suspicious things in a lot of people.
 
M2H said:
There are so many slots that have combined scum equity pending a flip at this point. The past ten pages have definitely been useful regarding content generation. I'm just at the point wherein there are so many associations that I can't really piece anything together without flips.

Perhaps to my disservice, I find most of the people that are pushing me scummy to some degree or at least see associations between them that are scummy.

Haruno/Texas is a confusing pairing in that Texas has a huge degree of scum equity independently, and while Haruno is a slot that I'm inclined to TR on a base level, the way they responded to Texas' claim is a little bit strange. Previously Haruno was expressing suspicion that their partner may be scum, or even that a t/s pairing is the most likely situation. While I personally have no idea what is likely from a role perspective, the fact that Texas (who Haruno was previously, albeit perhaps begrudgingly was voting before ) claimed a role that Haruno previously expressed had role scum equity and Haruno responded by completely flipping on them is extremely strange to me.

Another interaction that I find suspicious is Riyz/CaffeineBoost. I floated the idea of a Ritz slip with a great degree of caution, and CaffeineBoost fixated on that point to a degree that I see some scum equity in this pairing. While I personally still read CaffeineBoost as town, in the event of a Riyz/CaffeineBoost scum sip, I'm inclined to suspect the other.

I find Laurel's frequent but persistent mentioning of me pretty peculiar. I'm not exactly sure what to think of it at this stage. I get that he tends to rely on typical power-towny types, but to the degree to which he's doing it this game is strange to me.

UncleSam's previous indication of a Celever/Texas relationship equity seems valid in the current context of the thread. Celever seems attached at the hip to Texas at this point, and has expressed points that on all levels are just bad. I'm genuinely unsure whether there is something to this or my previous understanding of Celever as a naive and kinda illogical townie is simply manifesting itself here in an unfortunate way. For the record I think UncleSam/Laurel have some degree of scum equity in a world where Haruno/M2H/Texas is t/t/t in that they are both positioning themselves on my side which is a stretch but potential strategy of the scum team tbh (maybe genuinely, maybe attempting to generate future goodwill?).

Overall, this game is making me hella paranoid at the moment so to some extent I'm seeing suspicious things in a lot of people.
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who is ritz? riyz?
 
Playing Master Duel did not cheer me up.

Vote: Sifi

The way I see things, it's a case of two groups fighting over who gets to lead and who gets to die. Tex/Cel vs M2H/Sam. Now as to whether these are T/T's, S/S's, or a bit of column A and a bit of column B is for me to try and figure out later. Having thought about some things though, here's where I'm at.

I think Texas is inherently more trustworthy than anyone else due to the Masons claim, which I have little reason to doubt atm. Tex/Haruno is either genuine or some incredibly convoluted scum theatre.
Celever has been a big townread for me since I haven't really caught him on anything, and I distinctly remember having a strong read on Celever the last time we played (only for me to be convinced off of it and choke as a result).
I considered M2H to be a town lean at the end of day 1, noting some things about the way they posted I didn't like (I'm not a fan of the whole "vote me, you should scumread me" thing) but ultimately believing they were town. Was this because I was buddied? Idk.
I've had Sam on scumlean this entire game and I'm not convinced to budge on that just yet.

I really want to know M2H's flip but I feel like I shouldn't cast a vote in this minefield until I have a surfboard (bad metaphor but come on, imagine the fun you'd have). I doubt rssp lies about Sif's role, I see some use in keeping them around, but since I'm feeling uncertain about what to do with reads and all that, it's a safe compromise to vote them.

Nuxl Spiderz I feel I can trust you two still. I would like to know what you think about this whole kerfuffle since you both seem level-headed enough to give good guidance.

My reads are the same for the most part, just way less certain. This whole development has been quite frustrating to wrap my head around.

If you have any questions for me, I'll answer them tomorrow.
 
I’m inclined to believe that psy has been spewed town by the thread at the current rate. I already tred him to a degree, but the Texas read pretty much seals it for me in 99% of worlds as in a scum!Texas world his reads list wrt Psy doesn’t read how you would refer to a partner.

With that being said my current town core is something along the lines of me/spiderz/psy/ryodio/nuxl. It’s a little hard for me to get my bearings beyond that at this rate, although I’m inclined to town lean whydon, caffeineboost, and celever at this rate, although the latter two are less clear to me than before.

The slots that I think I would find the most useful to know the contents of are Texas, UncleSam, and Riyz in descending order. The difficulty in that is that the latter two I don’t have a strong read on. I’m inclined to want to work with UncleSam, if only that he has been seeing the game in a similar manner to me and has been supporting me to some degree, but he’s a slot I want to know more about. I think these slots are prime targets for any potential cop in the game though.
 
I do find it interesting that Sam falsely accused Texas and I of having a connection and then Texas entered the thread, was extremely useful and towny, and hard town reads me. It would be hilarious if they’re scumbuds who organised to pocket me so that if Texas flips I look bad.

I don’t think this is what happened, but I’ve played Survivor with Texas twice and hard betrayed him both times. I’d respect if this was revenge LOL

Anyway a big part of my scumread on M2H is that they seem to acc put stock in Sam’s me-Texas connection which no matter how you cut it was an awfully constructed theory detached from reality. I would accept accusations of me and Texas buddying now, but Sam didn’t make them now, he made them when nothing of the sort had ever happened. And M2H agreed with it back then so :shrug:

And M2H lowered their volume a lot once a couple people said within the high volume category they were the likeliest scum. I think technically both factions do this but it still irks me.
 
But I would argue M2H’s solidarity with Sam’s nonsense theory means their buddying is a lot stronger than mine and Texas’. Texas and I were in-thread trying to solve and had a really productive period. Sam wasn’t doing that, and M2H consolidated a v bad case from him anyway.
 
Clouds said:
what gives away that i'm unintelligent? i thought i'd done a fine job masking it
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Also I opened this earlier and didn’t think to reply but the characteristics I associated with himbos are more along the lines of wholesomeness and carefree. Ik that himbo innately means dumb but usually it’s the term is inaccurately used to describe men who acc just have an innocent happy outlook on life.

tl;dr I didn’t mean to call you dumb I like himbos
 
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