NOC Bigvivor Mafia Game Thread Day 5

Celever said:
I do find it interesting that Sam falsely accused Texas and I of having a connection and then Texas entered the thread, was extremely useful and towny, and hard town reads me. It would be hilarious if they’re scumbuds who organised to pocket me so that if Texas flips I look bad.

I don’t think this is what happened, but I’ve played Survivor with Texas twice and hard betrayed him both times. I’d respect if this was revenge LOL

Anyway a big part of my scumread on M2H is that they seem to acc put stock in Sam’s me-Texas connection which no matter how you cut it was an awfully constructed theory detached from reality. I would accept accusations of me and Texas buddying now, but Sam didn’t make them now, he made them when nothing of the sort had ever happened. And M2H agreed with it back then so :shrug:

And M2H lowered their volume a lot once a couple people said within the high volume category they were the likeliest scum. I think technically both factions do this but it still irks me.
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You need to read back in the thread because you have the sequencing of events wrong. UncleSam piggybacked on my existing scum read. To say that I followed his rationale is false.

My rationale for voting Texas was inherently a meta read (low effort, openscummy style when maf , active role in town early on as town) along with reads from nuxl and hal who ultimately I trust the most on Texas. When Hal mentioned in thread that he agreed with my Texas read it was genuinely a high point of the game for me.

At this stage I don’t know what to think. Ultimately, I hope that Haruno/Texas pairing provides some form of alignment indicative information, as I see no reason why we should assume that the pair is t/t without further reasoning.

I did note earlier than in the current thread, you and Texas have been buddying to a greater degree although by that point I was already shifting onto rssp. Ultimately UncleSam is a slot that I do t know how to feel about, but it was interesting to me to see his Texas/you pairing become increasingly true over time (although, yes, I agree that when he mentioned it I didn’t really see it myself).
 
M2H said:
You need to read back in the thread because you have the sequencing of events wrong. UncleSam piggybacked on my existing scum read. To say that I followed his rationale is false.

My rationale for voting Texas was inherently a meta read (low effort, openscummy style when maf , active role in town early on as town) along with reads from nuxl and hal who ultimately I trust the most on Texas. When Hal mentioned in thread that he agreed with my Texas read it was genuinely a high point of the game for me.

At this stage I don’t know what to think. Ultimately, I hope that Haruno/Texas pairing provides some form of alignment indicative information, as I see no reason why we should assume that the pair is t/t without further reasoning.

I did note earlier than in the current thread, you and Texas have been buddying to a greater degree although by that point I was already shifting onto rssp. Ultimately UncleSam is a slot that I do t know how to feel about, but it was interesting to me to see his Texas/you pairing become increasingly true over time (although, yes, I agree that when he mentioned it I didn’t really see it myself).
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I’ll check this tomorrow for now I’ll just VOTE Sificon since I want to sleep

I def think Sam likelier flips scum than you (don’t think this has been stated but has been inferrable) but similarly to Caffeine you provide a lot more info which makes that shot enticing. Also as stated previously I always scumread Sam so
 
Of course watcher should also act in an unpredictable manner as well, as coordinating a watch is useful in a protective manner of assuring that a particular person doesn’t die for free, but cheapens the watcher role in that it makes it almost impossible for the watcher to actually catch scum.
 
TBD. Far more likely to trust someone in the same shitty position I'm in which will be confirmed if the pm is met. Don't really think a role blocker/equivalent would try and stop it since it's likely that Texas and I both target each other so unless a role blocker or equivalent uses it on both then things can be confirmed.

Now that the mystery of getting myself confirmed town, goal is to hunt the sus folks.
 
Haruno said:
TBD. Far more likely to trust someone in the same shitty position I'm in which will be confirmed if the pm is met. Don't really think a role blocker/equivalent would try and stop it since it's likely that Texas and I both target each other so unless a role blocker or equivalent uses it on both then things can be confirmed.

Now that the mystery of getting myself confirmed town, goal is to hunt the sus folks.
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You keep saying your role will confirm you town. Previously you said a t/s pairing was possible and here you seem unsure as well. What actually is supposed to happen when you and Texas target each other. Please be as specific and detailed as you can be.
 
M2H said:
There are so many slots that have combined scum equity pending a flip at this point. The past ten pages have definitely been useful regarding content generation. I'm just at the point wherein there are so many associations that I can't really piece anything together without flips.

Perhaps to my disservice, I find most of the people that are pushing me scummy to some degree or at least see associations between them that are scummy.

Haruno/Texas is a confusing pairing in that Texas has a huge degree of scum equity independently, and while Haruno is a slot that I'm inclined to TR on a base level, the way they responded to Texas' claim is a little bit strange. Previously Haruno was expressing suspicion that their partner may be scum, or even that a t/s pairing is the most likely situation. While I personally have no idea what is likely from a role perspective, the fact that Texas (who Haruno was previously, albeit perhaps begrudgingly was voting before ) claimed a role that Haruno previously expressed had role scum equity and Haruno responded by completely flipping on them is extremely strange to me.

Another interaction that I find suspicious is Riyz/CaffeineBoost. I floated the idea of a Ritz slip with a great degree of caution, and CaffeineBoost fixated on that point to a degree that I see some scum equity in this pairing. While I personally still read CaffeineBoost as town, in the event of a Riyz/CaffeineBoost scum sip, I'm inclined to suspect the other.

I find Laurel's frequent but persistent mentioning of me pretty peculiar. I'm not exactly sure what to think of it at this stage. I get that he tends to rely on typical power-towny types, but to the degree to which he's doing it this game is strange to me.

UncleSam's previous indication of a Celever/Texas relationship equity seems valid in the current context of the thread. Celever seems attached at the hip to Texas at this point, and has expressed points that on all levels are just bad. I'm genuinely unsure whether there is something to this or my previous understanding of Celever as a naive and kinda illogical townie is simply manifesting itself here in an unfortunate way. For the record I think UncleSam/Laurel have some degree of scum equity in a world where Haruno/M2H/Texas is t/t/t in that they are both positioning themselves on my side which is a stretch but potential strategy of the scum team tbh (maybe genuinely, maybe attempting to generate future goodwill?).

Overall, this game is making me hella paranoid at the moment so to some extent I'm seeing suspicious things in a lot of people.
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did you see my post on why celever scum slipped by voting me instead of texas? I called him out and he instantly changed.

He basically said that i slipped and called texas mafia rolecop but then voted me…. Was super weird so i do agree with unclesam that i see these two as a pair. That doesn’t mean sam isn’t mafia -i doubt it if texas/celever both are.
 
CaffeineBoost said:
Playing Master Duel did not cheer me up.

Vote: Sifi

The way I see things, it's a case of two groups fighting over who gets to lead and who gets to die. Tex/Cel vs M2H/Sam. Now as to whether these are T/T's, S/S's, or a bit of column A and a bit of column B is for me to try and figure out later. Having thought about some things though, here's where I'm at.

I think Texas is inherently more trustworthy than anyone else due to the Masons claim, which I have little reason to doubt atm. Tex/Haruno is either genuine or some incredibly convoluted scum theatre.
Celever has been a big townread for me since I haven't really caught him on anything, and I distinctly remember having a strong read on Celever the last time we played (only for me to be convinced off of it and choke as a result).
I considered M2H to be a town lean at the end of day 1, noting some things about the way they posted I didn't like (I'm not a fan of the whole "vote me, you should scumread me" thing) but ultimately believing they were town. Was this because I was buddied? Idk.
I've had Sam on scumlean this entire game and I'm not convinced to budge on that just yet.

I really want to know M2H's flip but I feel like I shouldn't cast a vote in this minefield until I have a surfboard (bad metaphor but come on, imagine the fun you'd have). I doubt rssp lies about Sif's role, I see some use in keeping them around, but since I'm feeling uncertain about what to do with reads and all that, it's a safe compromise to vote them.

Nuxl Spiderz I feel I can trust you two still. I would like to know what you think about this whole kerfuffle since you both seem level-headed enough to give good guidance.

My reads are the same for the most part, just way less certain. This whole development has been quite frustrating to wrap my head around.

If you have any questions for me, I'll answer them tomorrow.
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is there a world where haruno/texas is town/maf? Like that they are lovers but one is evil…?
 
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