NOC Bigvivor Mafia Game Thread Day 5

Help why in the world is Celever starting to post things that make sense to me. I'm pretty sure that's illegal

In all seriousness I don't understand in what world I would ever want to kill Haruno here if I were mafia. Like...I've been suspicious of Haruno / Texas all game, counterpushing them, and then I...go for a kill on Haruno to prove that I've been wrong? What?

If anything it does seem like a kill aimed to discredit me. I honestly can't see what other possible reason there is to kill Haruno there.

I'm very curious Clouds why you think there's any world in which I kill Haruno there. I'm not really understanding your sussing me outside of being the very basic logical conclusion of 'US sussed Haruno and Haruno was town so US must be sus himself'. Is that basically it? Or did you just not like my defense of M2H (who I had been / still am TRing prior to the wagon).

Finally, it is wild to me that four active posters posting votes on somebody, that person having the most votes, and it being less than 24 hours to deadline would qualify as 'not much pressure' to Clouds. Hey M2H would you say that you felt 'not much pressure' yesterday? My strong suspicion is that that is not the case.

Also finally got Tommy to reply to my questions re. the kill on disc, this is what he said (paraphrased rather than directly quoted because of rules or something idk why it matters):
'if the mafia were unaware the tribe split was happening, I [Tommy] would have provided them an opportunity at game start to order factional kill order, which I would follow, failing that I would give kill to whoever had it last, fialing that I would rand who had the kill'

This implies to me that one specific mafia member (probably who killed last night), who is almost certainly in the top half of the playerlist, was the player who was assigned the kill. I think the most interesting thing to me is that it went onto Haruno and not Caffeine / Celever / Da Letter El, all of whom I would have expected to be 'bigger name' targets.

Now maybe the mafia is just really scared of the Haruno / Texas towncore. But this feels more like the mafia going for a kill that does two things:
A. Confuses the village
B. Throws suspicion off the mafia's trail

Personally, I think that Caffeine or Celever are most likely to make this kill. Given how quickly Celever picked up on how weird the push from Clouds was, I'm kinda hard sussing Caffeine and Clouds as a potential duo now.

Vote Clouds explain more clearly who you think my teammates could possibly be if you think I'm mafia, and explain why I would ever kill Haruno there.

- Friendly Hydra
I’ve been agreeing with clouds all game but oddly enough yea I buy this fully
 
im pretty sure everything I do seems sus because I post irregularly and talk like a lawyer apparently LOL so I'm just trying to do my part before yall get sussed but alright!

Also, flavor probably doesn't matter too much because it's in Tommy's perspective of the Starhome characters.

If I were scum, wouldn't better mafia members tell me not to reveal my role LOL

Dyo suddenly stops talking like a lawyer and does something just to follow it up immediately with “if I were scum people would tell me not to do that” bruh
 
Vote Celever

It’s not like I’m doing a ton myself and I can be missing a lot .

but I feel like he’s pushing blame onto a lot of people a ton which has been referenced earlier. I keep flip flopping with how I feel about clouds but I do think he made a point regarding Celever and the Drookez situation.

Idk he just comes off to me as someone jumpy to bandwagon and against different people in a way that unsettles me + I’ve been iffy on caff and Celever for a little while now. The recent additions on the threat (up to like page 106) are just kinda feeding into it

I’m assuming he rebuttals more and I will probably have something to say about that too
 
Vote Celever

It’s not like I’m doing a ton myself and I can be missing a lot .

but I feel like he’s pushing blame onto a lot of people a ton which has been referenced earlier. I keep flip flopping with how I feel about clouds but I do think he made a point regarding Celever and the Drookez situation.

Idk he just comes off to me as someone jumpy to bandwagon and against different people in a way that unsettles me + I’ve been iffy on caff and Celever for a little while now. The recent additions on the threat (up to like page 106) are just kinda feeding into it

I’m assuming he rebuttals more and I will probably have something to say about that too

I almost want to follow you on this just on the frequency with which celever just says factually incorrect things, but I'll hold off on that for now.
 
To address some of the recent comments:

1) Why did you target clouds with whatever action? I did whatever I did to clouds honestly not for a specific reason other than I had to use the action on someone and I picked someone that wasn't a big scum suspect in most people's views (that's on my tribe of course). Another reason is that clouds is cute so maybe he can benefit from the action (yes i am biased but tbf i didn't know what to do)

2) Do you town read clouds? Yes, in a sense. As I said, my action would benefit my target so I would need to give it to someone I think of as likely townie. Of course, I have no proof clouds is 100% town.

3) Why does clouds town read you? Obviously I cannot answer for clouds. However, I will say that if I were to receive it from someone I would also view them as town. This is because the action is a "beneficial" in a sense that it makes someone better, so giving it to the mafia as part of their role wouldn't make sense because a mafia with this role would just target within their faction. It also doesn't make sense to give it to a third party because they typically work alone and using this action would not make sense with their win con.

Hope this clears a few things up!
 
celever's recap in 2622 describes the issue, the report I gave, and the reason why I am waiting until either drookez gives more clarity or someone tells me its time to give the full role pm

I have to assume you dont out yourself as cop unless clouds is scum..

I've been scum read for three days in a row, i feel like that's kinda disingenuous to use the timeframe as such because I just didn't want to have another blockade of discussion around me when I could prove at least part of my role and utility.

i didnt have a real read on you either way but i wasnt going to let you get voted today… not the direction we need to go in killing off noobies
 
he's able to put a name on a kill list for players, and if no one can kill that person, they (? the wording in this is really confusing) inherit kill ability

the abilities name is suggest

clouds can clarify if he wants but his role really confuses me in terms of its alignment
 
wait im so stupid wtf bye that clears him as town if the suggest ability is exclusive to town members. Is that usually the type of ability that is town only?

It would definitely be an odd scum role given that it is providing a kill list to players who can kill, but then why would they be providing a list if they are scum and can already kill.

I would be INCLINED to say Clouds is heavily likely (maybe confirmed) to be town off of that if you are town, but I say that with some degree of caution because I don't think I fully understand the role either.
 
Since Hydro's priority was [2] and Dyo is saying Clouds priority is > that (probs [3] I'm assuming), that means there is at least one more unknown player with the suggest ability.

Still have no idea how that works though Duskfall98 given that one copy of the role ability has been flipped, can you describe how that ability works generally?
 
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