NOC Bigvivor Mafia Game Thread Day 5

Texas Cloverleaf said:
agenda push on me, fired hard against me for activity d1, kept progressing from a push to a weak scum read to etc etc to a hard scum against basically no content, then tried a push to get me lynched for activity hours before a time i'd publicly committed time to the game, i believe they were trying to push an easy mislynch on me before i had a chance to become a presence
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Also this is such bad logic. I can read the absence of thread presence when thread presence is expected from you as town. It’s a meta read which is perfectly valid. I get it’s been a while and apparently you have a life or whatever, but I think that’s more of an excuse on your part than anything. DS ruined me on not being able to trust things that could be easily just excuses.

Personally speaking I think this post has a degree of projection in it as well considering you scum read me prior to me pushing you. I’m a player that is somewhat respected as a town player here. So when you say I was trying to just remove you from the game because of your supposed ability, it makes me think that was what you may have been trying to get started on me.
 
Also role cop is not an obvious or particularly good inclusion for town in NOC madness, but in a game of this size it makes sense to get the cut. Clouds is literally a pseudo-vt it seems p clear that town has a few weak or ineffective roles that have a small chance of being useful at some point and role cop does fit that category. It's more common on mafia for PR scouting to inform kills but it's not like it's a scummy claim for that reason imo

IK I said the opposite when the claim first happened but Dyo's defense made me reflect on that. Like Dyo is still an OK vote but I think it has a below rand chance of flipping scum atp
 
M2H said:
you are just straight up downplaying how scummy your game has been. I get you’re mad I forced you to enter the thread but pushing me here on what is essentially an omgus read (when I’m far from the only one that has scum read your slot) is just laughable and if you’re town here you need to actually do your due diligence.

especially considering I’ve already flavor claimed nuxl and claimed power role (not saying what, but it’s a big role), you continuing to push me here is just bad play generally. If you want me gone at this point you’re going to have to night kill me.
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what's laughable is you a you acting had some sort of influence on my activity and weren't just opportunistically taking advantage to push me out early

i did not see a flavor claim please advise
 
M2H said:
Personally speaking I think this post has a degree of projection in it as well considering you scum read me prior to me pushing you. I’m a player that is somewhat respected as a town player here. So when you say I was trying to just remove you from the game because of your supposed ability, it makes me think that was what you may have been trying to get started on me.
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bullshit, i did my iso on you and you were pushing me from the second page and never let up through 1000 posts well before i ever showed up to actually play
 
Celever said:
Why do you think the two best flips for town are me and Sam? I acc think I disagree but I'll say who gives more info after your response
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because worst case scenario is your town but you’re actively beingSr’d and I can leverage your reads - which even if i think the logic is flawed if i know ur town they are then helpful

If i remember i wanted sam because his weird on dle was super weird and same thing. He has tried enough that i can leverage his reads as town and nuxl also thought sam was scum.

Btw - i dont think texas is scum btw if you flip scum. He’s too smart to come and buddy you here.
 
Texas Cloverleaf said:
harping on some meta read from three years ago about my thread presence is the weakest goddamn justification i've ever seen
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you disregarding traditionally reliable reads (ie; hal, Nuxl(?)) has immense scum motivation behind it. It’s like you have to villianize me for pushing you rather than admitting that a town player in my position has plenty of reason to suspect you.
 
Laurel said:
because worst case scenario is your town but you’re actively beingSr’d and I can leverage your reads - which even if i think the logic is flawed if i know ur town they are then helpful

If i remember i wanted sam because his weird on dle was super weird and same thing. He has tried enough that i can leverage his reads as town and nuxl also thought sam was scum.

Btw - i dont think texas is scum btw if you flip scum. He’s too smart to come and buddy you here.
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This is legit still odd to me bc your emphasis with what reads give the most information is in terms of what conclusions can be drawn considering more active/experienced players still and idt this is town logic. Earlygame priority to an extent is setting up for a solvable endgame and there are so many slots itg that are v unsolvable atm so if we're going for info votes we need votes that shed some light on these unsolvable slots

Partly that's why Zach is a great info vote bc a number of people have TRed him baselessly. And if you want to shed light on the most active posters instead then Caff sheds light on a much vaster range of them
 
M2H said:
you disregarding traditionally reliable reads (ie; hal, Nuxl(?)) has immense scum motivation behind it. It’s like you have to villianize me for pushing you rather than admitting that a town player in my position has plenty of reason to suspect you.
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what actually has scum motivation is you taking hal and nuxls meta reads that they self-admitted were shaky and using that as the basis of your justification to hard scum read me for having a life lmao
 
shadowpea said:
logic
it would make sense
he (dusk) said flavor is not ai but id think i just cant see all of 1st-3rd being town flavorwise
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Hm ok. I don't think this is a valid mentality to have, I can see some rationale behind it but tbh I think the design process for Tommy was prob designing abilities for certain players and then figuring out how to balance factions based on that. It's why I was against the flavour claiming bc the only thing they might hint at is roles which is only useful for scum
 
Celever said:
Hm ok. I don't think this is a valid mentality to have, I can see some rationale behind it but tbh I think the design process for Tommy was prob designing abilities for certain players and then figuring out how to balance factions based on that. It's why I was against the flavour claiming bc the only thing they might hint at is roles which is only useful for scum
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But with this said it stands to reason that players who lasted longer / had more influence on the game probably have stronger roles for the most part, and scum usually also have stronger roles. That's why there's an OK amount of reason behind this but it's not worth considering
 
shadowpea said:
im giving up on tiermaker its not working for some reason lel but this means i have to type D:

HT:
spiderz -honestly just gives me a town vibe. i liked his d2 and that he was part of the discussion, interacted, etc. his argument as whydon honestly struck me as town because scum prolly wont unnecessarily draw attention to themselves like that.
psy
nuxl
clouds/drookez/texas because roles

ST:
celever - despite what a lot of ppl are saying celever is still being very helpful in a towny sort of way. the post that yall dismissed as bad and illogical shows this for me. hes trying to help. maybe not well, but its much easier to see a townie making that kind of post than a scum
whydon
realiti
ryodio - good tone and vibe and basically psy but softer/less certain
sam - his d1 sucked thats a fact but d2 and today hes been solvy and helpful and everything. of course this could be scum covering self but ive not been getting any bad vibes or anything (sorry if im relyiing on vibes too much idk how to read people too much besides gut feelings, and ive got nothing on meta cuz its my first game lol im going off of what yall say in terms of meta)

i do think i gotta read a bit more about this persons:
m2h

neutral:
DEL
everyone not talking/i didnt mention
ayia
caff
yeti lmao

SS:
vizh - sounds quite nervous and uncomfortable idk maybe because hes new like me but ive not been getting the same energy im gettting from psy and i think everyone else can agree
dave - talked about this
dyo - his claim & behavior that everyone went over 9999 times already


man:
sificon legit the easiest role to win as ever lmao if i just keep doing what i do and stay low profile yall would know that you cant stop me or someone acting like me. unless rbed its a free n4 win, sificon just drew too much attention to themself for doing too much of nothing and then his sub legit just claimed arsonist lmao/
this completely low effort post is gonna get me sussed me fast but icba to make it better rn
and vote dave
just as likely to hop onto the dyo wagon tho
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got distracted from this, can you reiterate your dave case when i did my iso i got some weird tone reads that made me sus him, what is it for you?
also explain your realiti tr thats a relatively low content slot i want to know why you read the way you do
 
Laurel said:
because worst case scenario is your town but you’re actively beingSr’d and I can leverage your reads - which even if i think the logic is flawed if i know ur town they are then helpful

If i remember i wanted sam because his weird on dle was super weird and same thing. He has tried enough that i can leverage his reads as town and nuxl also thought sam was scum.

Btw - i dont think texas is scum btw if you flip scum. He’s too smart to come and buddy you here.
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This still strikes me as odd bc you have said yourself that you disagree with most of my reads LOL. Like this logic mainly applies to early nks bc town players have much less ability to solve or make strong reads this early in the game and we're still in that phase.

If you voted me yesterday you'd put stock in my sr of Sam which I now basically disagree with for instance. Give it more time to cook :P

Sam x DLE is a valid connection for an info kill, however. And I suppose I agree with there being more info to be gleaned from experienced players dying
 
Celever said:
This still strikes me as odd bc you have said yourself that you disagree with most of my reads LOL. Like this logic mainly applies to early nks bc town players have much less ability to solve or make strong reads this early in the game and we're still in that phase.

If you voted me yesterday you'd put stock in my sr of Sam which I now basically disagree with for instance. Give it more time to cook :P

Sam x DLE is a valid connection for an info kill, however. And I suppose I agree with there being more info to be gleaned from experienced players dying
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i forget that i initially pinned the hal kill on you texas sam or dle i believe
 
Texas Cloverleaf said:
what actually has scum motivation is you taking hal and nuxls meta reads that they self-admitted were shaky and using that as the basis of your justification to hard scum read me for having a life lmao
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Hal's read on you was a high-confidence read (and you scum explains his death there. Tbh throws suspicion on UncleSam too to a lesser degree (was connected to Hydreigon whereas his read on you wasn't) but still. Nuxl's yes has been more shaky but generally he has also scum read you.

I don't think you respect my town game enough for you to see it as a legitimate problem for me to be sheepy anyways.
 
Laurel said:
i forget that i initially pinned the hal kill on you texas sam or dle i believe
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if it helps I have legit never played with hal before lol, if you're saying someone advised that hal is a towngod so has to be killed my only relationship with that info is what hal himself said itg

(this is where you dig up a game from years ago that I have no memory of where I did play with hal >_>)
 
on the contrary what memories i do have of your town game speaks well to your ability and the face that you went from 0 to hard scum before i'd started actually playing and havent wavered from that since based solely on a years old meta read is not something i think you'd ever do as town
 
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