NOC Bigvivor Mafia Game Thread Day 5

UncleSam said:
So let me get this straight

There's a random EOD push onto Laurel to save Dyo and Laurel flips town

And that group isn't just instantly assumed to contain most / all of the scum team??

Laurel voters: Laurel (9): RyoDio, Nuxl (2), Texas Cloverleaf, Dyo, CaffeineBoost, Psypsypsypsypsythe, Celever, Da Letter El

So 8 total voters. Of these, I believe Dyo, Caffine, Celever, and DLE are the potential killers from Group A.

Dyo and DLE are pretty strongly linked at this point and DLE should really know better than to think that a fking role cop claim of all roles is 'likely town' or whatever bs he is spewing in his hard defense of Dyo. Pretty sure this is just a scum team pair though DLE hasn't posted enough for me to lock in that portion of the read yet - maybe he's just forgotten the difference between a role cop and any other type of cop. Pretty sure he's astute enough even when iDLE to tell the difference though, especially since Dyo literally just claimed to fail his role AGAIN.

Also side note Dyo literally failed his role claiming he targeted M2H...on a night where we know the mafia killer failed. After claiming he targeted Hal the night Hal died. Just saying.

Texas technically has the Haruno flip working in his favor but I have HATED his play virtually every cycle this game. Maybe I have to begrudgingly admit that scum + town twins seems extremely outlandish but he has just been on so many bad pushes that I'm starting to seriously wonder whether the mafia kill on Haruno wasn't just to kill a confirmed villager but was to give scum!Texas towncred.

Celever has basically been following Texas around like a loyal dog, very safe to assume that if Texas is scum then Celever is as well (and honestly even in the world where Texas is town and just has been playing awfully Celever could still be scum sheeping experienced town's bad reads). I liked his posts yesterday but the Laurel push was godawful, he wagoned on it for no reason, and I haven't been a big fan of his play today either. The only thing really working in his favor is that DLE dislikes him lol.

Caffine I have felt was off for most of these game days but it's been hard to put my finger on it. I actually like that it seems like he is butting heads with Celever today, makes me think maybe there is only one scum in that pair and if so I'm tilting towards that scum being Celever currently.

Psypsypsy I'm pretty sure is just confused town, if he is scum and playing up the clueless new player card then it's just wp by him, I don't ever want to be voting Psy today / probably ever based on the vibes alone.

Nuxl has slid by under the radar SO MUCH every single day he always seems to be directing discussion but not picking fights - really starting to not like his play / pushes at all. I have to admit that the lack of a NK suggests that either he or M2H (imo the most likely kill targets) dodged a kill, which is a point in his favor I guess. Idk, my prior townlean on him is more of a neutral due to the Laurel push but his reasoning was at least a little better formulated than others'.

Ryodio I do not recall doing anything at all this entire game except active lurking and troll posting. Pretty sure this is just a slot that gets lumped in with Dyo and DLE but less strongly.

Vote Dyo we should've done this yesterday. Nobody has formulated a strong reply (outside of DLE generically saying the push is 'bad' whatever that means). Also the fact that M2H is the only person somewhat pushing this after yesterday just solidifies my TR on him and reaffirms that this is the correct place to be today.

After Dyo flips scum we have so much info on DLE / RyoDio / honestly the rest of the Laurel voters that I really do think getting Dyo here breaks the game wide open for us. I may not be super active so I can't constantly harass all of you but I'm not going to just forget about this push so you better kill me mafia to make me stfu

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I’m convinced you just haven’t been following the thread.

1. people have suspecting people from the Laurel group.

2. the “rolecop” dilemma with Dyo has been thoroughly discussed by a lot of people and will continue to do so. There have been multiple strong pushes AND responses

3. You must’ve not read a single one of my posts and you should go and read at least the start of this day before you go “Ryo contributes nothing but troll posts”.

4. Texas hasn’t been playing a “horrible town” or whatever at all, Celever also hasn’t directly sheeped Texas- Celever has said a bunch of things and Celever’s entire SR of *me* went against Texas’ TR of me which is the most recent think I remembers

5. nuxl quite literally told caff to “shut up” a few hours ago which idk doesn’t seem to be harmlessly slipping under the radar, and has also been more useful to town than you could ever be

6. If you think caff was iffy *at first* and good *now* then you’re just kind of delusional

And theres so much more to go through lmao
vote Sam
 
I just don’t know how you can go “Dyo flipping scum gives info on scum!ryo” despite me claiming a few hours ago that my role was WIPED and that rolecop involvement could make a lot of sense there.

If you’re gonna SR me have it be on me being quick to vote Laurel not anything relating to Dyo
 
Ryo is very good at one on one discussions, he bodied me yesterday and now is doing Sam lol

I don’t think Sam’s post was inherently scummy but the response is v strong and it’s worth looking at the agenda behind Sam’s post once we see red

Was mainly posting to say RyoDio Tommy will def miss that vote I’d bold it on a new line as a rule of thumb, atp do a new bolded post
 
Celever said:
Ryo is very good at one on one discussions, he bodied me yesterday and now is doing Sam lol

I don’t think Sam’s post was inherently scummy but the response is v strong and it’s worth looking at the agenda behind Sam’s post once we see red

Was mainly posting to say RyoDio Tommy will def miss that vote I’d bold it on a new line as a rule of thumb, atp do a new bolded post
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I’m actually not rlly committed to voting Sam at all atm until theres more feedback and discussion , I just morally wouldve felt sick if I hadn’t ended that post with a “vote Sam”
 
UncleSam said:
So let me get this straight

There's a random EOD push onto Laurel to save Dyo and Laurel flips town

And that group isn't just instantly assumed to contain most / all of the scum team??
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this just screams scum to me & feels like a deflection, i can say w/ confidence at least a few of the votes on laurel there were town getting sheeped into it, part of me is beginning to believe laurel/dyo was a town/town wagon and counterwagon although dyo's cop claims are concerning

UncleSam said:
Also side note Dyo literally failed his role claiming he targeted M2H...on a night where we know the mafia killer failed. After claiming he targeted Hal the night Hal died. Just saying.
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I.. fail to see how this has much relevancy to the lack of mafia kill, when Dyo has a proven cop role and I doubt he claims failed cop on the target mafia could've gone after? Again not clearing Dyo at all here but this shouldn't be supplemental evidence for scum Dyo

UncleSam said:
Celever has basically been following Texas around like a loyal dog, very safe to assume that if Texas is scum then Celever is as well
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Cel's votes and reads do feel like they have no foundation lately and are erratic af but I wouldn't say he's sheeping Texas, if anything I'm concerned by his lack of attention given to Spiderz/Nuxl, particularly Spiderz since he tr'd him early and their interactions have been few and far between.

UncleSam said:
Psypsypsy I'm pretty sure is just confused town, if he is scum and playing up the clueless new player card then it's just wp by him, I don't ever want to be voting Psy today / probably ever based on the vibes alone.
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i think psy's done a nice job in his first game (especially if he's scum), i haven't gotten a confused vibe from him at all and i think he's picked things up fast.. which could be a case against him in a way? but yeah psy is for sure not my focus here and i want heat today to be on celever/spiderz/realiti/nuxl at the least, there's no shot more than 2 of these guys are town at this rate

tl;dr I'm sorry if I'm off the mark US but this post read so scummy. what are your thoughts on spiderz's slot in this game?
 
There are a few things I need to see in the thread prior to commenting any more on the ramifications of Dyo's failed action, though I still do somewhat believe that NK was on me last night and Dyo role copped somebody besides me in anticipation of my death. Of course, other developments in the thread may point to scum team having info on other player's roles. In particular, perhaps Ryo and Laurel. Dyo as scum role cop would make sense synergistically with a role wiper if my recollection of Ryo's claim is correct?

Plus I town read Ryo pretty strongly in general, and I think his points against your points are valid UncleSam

I suspect Laurel may have been pushed at EOD in an attempt to remove him from the game because of his mislynch bait status / importance of his role. If coordinated, Laurel's ability could very easily isolate scum and provided way too much information to be left in the game. This makes me paranoid of Nuxl's slot in particular as he pushed this read through against my stated read and without soliciting a claim from Laurel (although admittedly he was not in thread for the most part). This is me tinfoiling admittedly but my brain does that so might as well expose that thought.

IMO a scum!Dyo world ultimately increases the scum equity of: Celever, Clouds, Texas, Nuxl, Whydon (???), and maybe in a tinfoily sense UncleSam.

Ultimately I don't think Ryo / Dyo are s / s here.

On the latter point, I do feel that in a scum!UncleSam world he is 100% playing around pocketing me, and it is pretty effective at this point because he's saying way too many things that I'm also thinking.
 
Clouds said:
What do you agree with that US has said recently?
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Earlier on he kinda called the Texas/Celever dynamic before I saw it (might be a self-fulfilling prophecy tbh), didn't jump on the Laurel wagon, is kinda paranoid of Nuxl now, is sus of the Laurel wagon rn, liking caffeine, dyo/dle connection.

Of course I'm not saying it would be particularly hard for him to write a post that I agree with generally. My thoughts are pretty transparent at this rate for somebody that can read subtext & there are a few points where I think UncleSam's post fails to account for information that could better improve his reads and that signal to some degree that UncleSam is considering a limited amount of information (particularly recent, obvious information) (not considering the you/dyo dynamic, not considering the role cop/role wiper synergy, no comment on whydon who was pushing dyo's lynch like 10 times day 1?)
 
M2H said:
uh because mislynch bait are people that are easy to mislynch *yawn*
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Ok I don’t know why I needed that spelled out

I was like “but if they’re mislynch bait they want them around as long as possible to mislynch later!” but I see you meant who was an easy target yesterday specifically if Dyo is scum
 
Also is it bad to ask Drookez who he targeted last night and then ask whoever the target was whether that makes them think Drookez is town

Scientific method that whole Drookez x Clouds interaction yesterday?

If that’s a good idea someone tag him lol
 
I can give wider thoughts on Dyo.
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