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NOC Bigvivor Mafia Game Thread Day 5
- Thread starter Tommy
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This is an interesting list that I mostly agree with (aside from Celever he’s been very townie). None of the other 4 have had much in-depth focus so it would be cool if you provided some ^^”
I’m just saying I don’t think it’s logically possible for someone to initially sus you and then read your recent comments and go “nah he’s redeemed.”
Not saying I SR you just that objectively your earlier posts are better than your recent ones and I don’t even think you would disagree with that tbh
You're right, Day 1 was the glory day (I'd say glory days but... y'know). Proper classics. Remember Page 5? Oh that was such a good page.
Also dw my initial response wasn't serious... and tbh I feel like you make a good point.
I have to go to bed, please relay questions through my lawyer Thunder~BALLZ
He won't reply because he's not allowed to post in this thread, but ping him in every post you wish for me to see anyway.
He won't reply because he's not allowed to post in this thread, but ping him in every post you wish for me to see anyway.
why is your sleep schedule such shit
wait why is Celever awake too
wtf is wrong with the uk and sleep
If you’re struggling to sleep your bedtime reading can be trying to rationalise your instinct that I’ve been trying to buddy/pocket you
Gnight ^^
I blame ADHD and my university still mostly being online, idk Caffeine’s excuse
I'm going to go on a leap of faith here and assume that no townie!roleblocker would actively prevent dyo from role copping me, the motivation doesn't seem to be there imo.
If a townie!roleblocker DID target Dyo, then it would be such a stretch to assume that town also has a BG/doc to block the kill -> if a townie roleblocked Dyo, he must have been carrying the factional kill and Dyo must be scum.
So based on that airtight deduction, the scum team must have blocked Dyo, Dyo must be scum, or Dyo must not have been blocked (and hence be scum).
But then where is the scum motivation to block Dyo? I think that's the point that needs to be considered here.
I mean it’s level 1 but blocking Dyo makes him an easy target for a mislynch today if he’s town
Like as level 1 as that is it’s what some people are trying to do rn
The other possibilities for scum!Dyo make a lot of sense but there’s a rational explanation for scum blocker targeting town!Dyo
The alternative to that is that fishing for blocking other roles (if its a full roleblocker) would be a better use of the slot.
Letting Dyo role cop me eventually leads to Dyo outing my power role all the way if I'm a power role which is good for them, and makes me look really bad if I'm a vanilla/some other garbage role. Either way Dyo role copping me was never helping town fmpov beyond solidifying me as a near confirmed town voice in thread which was why I tolerated it.
I was holding this in but meh Texas has been mellowing on my slot and nobody has been pushing me today. I ultimately suspected that if pressure came back on me today, scum team might have actually roleblocked Dyo to set pressure back up on me but the current thread development hasn't gone that way. Texas hasn't even pushed Dyo which weirds me out with the M2H/Dyo angle they were pushing yesterday. It would seem to me that Dyo conveniently not getting his role cop results would be a prime opportunity for Texas to hop on one of us but they didn't.
The only angle in mind I had for scum team actually benefiting from a Dyo RB was if somebody like Texas pushed a ML on them but so far nobody besides me and UncleSam were on Dyo here (I mean I guess UncleSam could do that MAYBE??? I don't think I see it though.)
That is to say, yeah Dyo getting roleblocked if he's town makes him mislynch bait, but the only people actually pushing him after several big voices entered the thread were like: me and unclesam. In my case I know I'm town so yea.
On the other hand, your wagon picked up steam relatively fast. Kinda too fast for my liking tbh. Still think you're sus but where was the thread pressure on Dyo who in comparison was the secondary wagon yesterday?
Tbf that post makes sense :shrug: it seems perfectly rational
I will say that I warmed up to Sam and am getting colder on him again, if Dyo does die today and flips town Sam’s scum stock skyrockets
I guess something that feels validating toward Dyo’s claim is Ryo‘s claim. Atp most of us feel Ryo is town, and he’s verified the “no results” night resolution, on the one night Dyo had previously claimed to not have been blocked. With the lack of another person echoing that night result, I’m v hesitant to vote Dyo
I will say that I warmed up to Sam and am getting colder on him again, if Dyo does die today and flips town Sam’s scum stock skyrockets
I guess something that feels validating toward Dyo’s claim is Ryo‘s claim. Atp most of us feel Ryo is town, and he’s verified the “no results” night resolution, on the one night Dyo had previously claimed to not have been blocked. With the lack of another person echoing that night result, I’m v hesitant to vote Dyo
Note that I still don’t think that resolution would only be given to an info role but Eli and Caff both v swiftly felt it would, this looks like fishing under that paradigm
I don’t think anyone else should necessarily claim that result on the off chance those two are right, and also think if anyone else were going to they would have by now
It is true that I have been skimming the thread you've got me there. The rest of this is a pretty bad post though:
1. Zero pressure got applied to Dyo outside of M2H before my post. Zero.
2. What does this have to do with my post help.
3. Ok I did go back and re-read this day and you've been contributing a lot more. Mb for skimming over most of your posts this day in particular but in my defense in prior days you mostly posted little / no content pushing anybody. If you disagree with that feel free to go back and dig up posts of yours on prior days that seriously pushed somebody because I can't remember any strong interactions between you and others and I'd love to get examples of some so I can gauge you better. Admittedly this might have to do with the fact that your name is so similar to Dyo's and I just think of you as 'the less suspicious '-yo' currently
4. Texas absolutely has not played well at all this game, this is an objective fact. Apricity pointed it out through Day 1, he then HARD tunneled on M2H D2 and D3, and he helped push the Laurel misvote. Celever absolutely has been sheeping Texas and if you don't think so you just haven't been reading the thread, their buddying has been apparent since early D2. I didn't even know Celever SR'd you but honestly I'd count that as a point in your favor currently.
5. Missed this as well (SORRY I don't have the time to read through every detail of all 4k or however many posts there have been), but I still don't see what Nuxl has really been contributing outside of helping to misvote Laurel. Nuxl has been helping facilitate discussion and I have generally felt like he has been an active voice getting people to contribute and pushing for extra logic, but I just don't feel like he has pushed very hard on any of his own reads. I'd point out I'm not the only person to think this.
6. When did I say Caff was good now. I just said that he is looking better to me of the Celever / Caffine combo for today, though DLE pushing onto Celever is making me second guess this. I'd also point out that saying 'if you think X then you're delusional' is a moronic argument that carries no substance. If you think Caff is suspicious now please do post why. If not then kindly refrain from personal attacks (distinction can be found one line above: calling an argument moronic vs. a person moronic)
Please do go through the post more though! This is your best post of the game so far from my perspective and at the least it really does seem like you're trying to pick apart peoples' arguments, which we need a LOT more of today. I might personally think you've taken some bad stances logically but that's why we discuss things ^_^
Not for anything but the entire framework of my original post calling you potentially scum was because of the Laurel vote, so not sure what you're talking about here. The Laurel vote was inherently a counterpush to the Dyo vote, so all Laurel votes necessarily relate to Dyo in some way.
- If my post was a deflection what was I deflecting from? I don't see any serious pushes onto anybody else that I would be 'deflecting' attention away from back onto Dyo. I was making a case against Dyo. I don't doubt that there were at least a few town who sheeped the Laurel vote (mathematically this is in fact certain, there were 8 votes and no way in hell there are 8 mafia or I think we'd almost be at LYLO already?), and if you're concerned about Dyo's cop claims then I'm not sure what about my post would be odd at all to you
- The lack of mafia kill is pointing out suspicious targeting on Dyo's part for two separate nights. It's not hard evidence in the slightest, to be clear, and how is Dyo a 'proven role cop' (which btw is a pretty common mafia role anyway even if that is his role?). It could easily be a teammate with that role (or a full inspector role), and M2H already pointed out the possibility that the mafia tried and failed to kill him which would've given Dyo an out by saying 'oh my result was a fail'
- Agree re. Cel his play seems like he is just pushing things with little conviction.
- Good point re. the total lack of interaction between Cel and Spiderz / Nuxl. I hadn't picked up on that but Celever has been commenting on EVERYBODY and yet I can't remember any time he called either of those two out or directly replied to either. Celever can you point me to a time where this is incorrect?
- I'm not sure where you're not getting a confused vibe from Psy (again, a 100% towny confused vibe, though) - his jumping on the Laurel push felt random and like he just got dizzy amongst all the posting at EOD (though I don't think he was the only one), and it kinda feels like he responds to whatever was most recently posted without digging too much into things. To be clear he is doing infinitely better than I did in my first game, and maybe 'dizzy town' would be more accurate than 'confused town' (confused town can imply that he is being pocketed by a specific mafia member, which I don't think is the case since I don't think he is hard TRing anybody that I can recall)
- I'm a bit curious by your inclusion of realiti in your list at the bottom, that felt so random and out of nowhere. Can you elaborate more on that?
- Spiderz seemed ok D1 then fell off the face of the planet. His posts since coming back seem really devoid of content and the only reason I haven't focused on him much yet today is that he wasn't on the godawful Laurel wagon. My only concern with your list is that it only contains two people who voted Laurel and one who is a possible group 1 killer, neither of which means your hunch is wrong just it's something to keep in mind
Can you elaborate on your town read on Ryo? I'm starting to come around to it given his last post felt confused but like he was legitimately trying to solve / pressure to figure things out, which I really liked. I want to hear your original thoughts on it though.
Good point re. the Nuxl push, in general I hated the Laurel push so I really want everybody involved questioned more about their role in it. Nuxl why didn't you ask Laurel for a claim?
Can you elaborate more on the Whydon portion of your scum equity list, as well as why DLE isn't on that list when he is hard defending Dyo here. Although now that I think about it maybe scum!DLE is more likely to do that for a villager than a mafia member.
And re. your tinfoiling around me, all I can really do is lead a horse to water on my mafia reads. I can't make the rest of the village follow and if you choose to sus me for helping to find mafia because I'm 'deepscumming' then I'm totally down to be sussed for it so long as we get the mafia lol, makes no difference to me how much shade gets thrown my way
What was inaccurately skewed / what did I say that was wrong in any way outside of what I addressed above. My lack of posts is due to having a demanding job and real-life obligations which don't let me post often (and when I do post I'm trying to catch up to a lot of stuff so I try to get as much of my thought process as possible out there when I do have time), frankly I've also not been nearly as AFK as most of the game so not really sure what you're getting at here. I will freely admit I am skimming this thread though, the sheer quantity of posts is just too much.
Lol ok you can't just state this over and over and make it true. Argue your case, you're better than this post regardless of your alignment.
This is me trying but it's hard, I'm not at my computer often and when I am I'm generally playing TFT or Destiny 2 (feel free to add me on both League and Steam if you'd like to monitor my activity and confirm this for yourself).
This is way better than the prior post, but I do disagree. There was a small amount of pressure on him, and he claimed with what felt to me like a pre-arranged story. It felt like he had spent the prior night getting a fake claim ready then just used it since he had it at the first sign of pressure. I read that more as a panic claim than anything else, which I think is more likely to be a scum manuever. To be clear, I do NOT think that any scum teammate told him to 'go crazy' and claim - I think a scum teammate told him to get ready to claim in case of pressure and he just overreacted. I really want to hear you elaborate more on how you read this situation though I've been very frustrated by you basically just dropping in, providing a totally unsubstantiated take, then dipping. If you're town here then you really need to provide more reasoning so that I and others can get on board with it. If you're scum feel free to keep coasting :D
Elaborate on this please, why do you like Dyo here.
Why are we trying to out more roles currently help
I'm out for the night I'll try to be active at some point tomorrow night and will try to catch up so that we can make a better push today than we did yesterday. I'm still nearly certain Dyo is the best option but I'm not as hard set on it as I was a few hours ago. Still keeping my vote where it is though I want to see him post more and provide reads on as many people as possible with as much explanation as possible.
- Friendly Hydra
That post is too long for me to read in one sitting on my mobile
I’m surprised Sam’s favourite Ryo moment isn’t him bodying me in a skirmish
I’m also surprised Sam is confident enough in DLE!scum to let it inform his read of me but is voting for Dyo
I’m surprised Sam’s favourite Ryo moment isn’t him bodying me in a skirmish
I’m also surprised Sam is confident enough in DLE!scum to let it inform his read of me but is voting for Dyo
vote dle OMGUS and scum and bad post
OMGUS