NOC Bigvivor Mafia Game Thread Day 5

[Da Letter El]

maybe the role wiper has the same silly restriction that the arsonist did about least posts in the thread

 

[realiti]

dyo mentioning the cop almost feels like a forced reminder. like, maybe this is a stretch, but i wouldn't be shocked if mafia chat discussed the importance of mentioning the night cop results. anyways i'm gonna vote Dyo again, there is definitely scum intent behind pushing away from this vote at this point, whether or not it's to protect a teammate or to keep a generally sr'd player in the game so heat remains on him

also nuxl/realiti's pushes have made continuously less sense to me with each day (apart from realiti's celever reasoning although i'm mixed on celever himself), and i find it hard to believe one of the people realiti is sr'ing the hardest here is.. dle of all people, who has been almost entirely afk. realiti/dyo being scum together would provide a possible explanation for realiti's quick d1 wagon vote on dyo with whydon if he was trying to clear the possibility of them being teammates

at this point i feel best about drookez, m2h, texas, and maybe even dle based on tone. i am shifty w/ celever and still don't have a firm tr or sr on him. who exactly would've voted him at eod yesterday? it feels like he's getting a lot more attention at the start of the cycle now

this just screams scum to me & feels like a deflection, i can say w/ confidence at least a few of the votes on laurel there were town getting sheeped into it, part of me is beginning to believe laurel/dyo was a town/town wagon and counterwagon although dyo's cop claims are concerning

I.. fail to see how this has much relevancy to the lack of mafia kill, when Dyo has a proven cop role and I doubt he claims failed cop on the target mafia could've gone after? Again not clearing Dyo at all here but this shouldn't be supplemental evidence for scum Dyo

?????????

 

[Psypsypsypsypsythe]

also is there any possibility that the role wiping action couldve been accidentally transferred from town to scum through various means (like haruno and texas' abilities for example) and in that case, should we still be skeptical of role wiped people?

 

[M2H]

also is there any possibility that the role wiping action couldve been accidentally transferred from town to scum through various means (like haruno and texas' abilities for example) and in that case, should we still be skeptical of role wiped people?

I think we can clear anybody with the ability up to now with a high degree of certainty. Of course its possible that something like you said happened but at a point that would just be overly complex game design IMO.

 

[Psypsypsypsypsythe]

Homework if anyone is painfully bored would be to look into who started randomly hardtowning Psy during D2

There’s a chance it was pre-empting this and would be v scummy

will do this because i love looking at people saying things about me but it was honestly like everyone except like you and ayia

 

[Celever]

will do this because i love looking at people saying things about me but it was honestly like everyone except like you and ayia

Not committing to anything finally earns me town points B)

 

[M2H]

yea but lowkey m2h gave good enough reasoning themselves why I would have copped someone else. i would have just said, hey i copped blah because blah here are the results. saying my results failed twice in day 1 and 3 and having the whole hal thing is just a series of unfortunate events that just add suspicion on me that's like nigh undefendable on my part.

I agree it's unfortunate if you are town here but I have no idea where else to look as most of my associations atp are tied to your slot being scum atp. Who else would you suggest I look at?

 

[Celever]

also is there any possibility that the role wiping action couldve been accidentally transferred from town to scum through various means (like haruno and texas' abilities for example) and in that case, should we still be skeptical of role wiped people?

I suppose it’s relevant to ask if Texas Cloverleaf targeted you N1, or Ryo if he was N3

Beyond that we can prob assume there isn’t more redirection, especially with a blocker

 

[Psypsypsypsypsythe]

Not committing to anything finally earns me town points B)

unless this is a manufactured argument youre creating to clear yourself

 

[Celever]

unless this is a manufactured argument youre creating to clear yourself

The issue is I acc think I was hardtowning you D2 but I think it started D1 so I should be safe LOL

The most conclusive would be someone hardtowning you D2 who wasn’t on D1 bc that’s more responsive to your role being wiped

 

[Dyo]

I agree it's unfortunate if you are town here but I have no idea where else to look as most of my associations atp are tied to your slot being scum atp. Who else would you suggest I look at?

i feel like UncleSam is coming from a good and rational place, so I get his concerns. In like people's suspicions of me, I don't see any hard scum red flags other than Clouds who makes like pretty weird reads, but his role pm was like relatively barren and towny. I'm like thinking that whoever keeps blocking me is town and is just doing it for fun, but again, I don't know how role alignment aligns with skills. Still think Shadow is a sus individual but don't think he's a good vote rn just because he's been barely active.

 

[M2H]

I in particular want to know who the D2 wipe was because then we can narrow down the list of potential wipers even more.

 

[M2H]

Again I'd like to see a third wipe claim if there is one but by EOD today id like to know when ryodio was wiped. If its d2 it changes the game a bit. also too lazy to go back and check the thread rip.

 

[Psypsypsypsypsythe]

like in d1 if you made me pick "scum or town" on haruno i'd have said scum but i like what ive seen so far today

unrelated but heres a random post day 2 where dle unprompted reads haruno as town? no idea if this is useful but i thought it was interesting in hindsight knowing haruno is in fact town

 

[M2H]

Loyalist:
Ayia
CaffeineBoost
Celever
Clouds
Da Letter El
Dave
Drookez
Dyo
Haruno
M2H
Laurel

Separatist:
Nuxl
Psypsypsypsypsythe
Realiti
Ryo
Shadowpea
Spiderz
Texas Cloverleaf
UncleSam + Yeti (Hydra, they will be treated as one player)
Vizh
Whydon

Rn we have a lock scum in Ayia / CB / Celever / Clouds / DLE / Dave / Drookez / Dyo

If Ryo was targetted by role wipe d2 we can with about 95% certainty say we have a scum in Nuxl / Realiti / Shadowpea / Spiderz / Texas / UncleSam / Vizh / Whydon

This second part is speculation on my part but is probably good speculation I would say.

 

[M2H]

I have also liked Celever's posts more since start of day admittedly.

 

[Da Letter El]

This is way better than the prior post, but I do disagree. There was a small amount of pressure on him, and he claimed with what felt to me like a pre-arranged story. It felt like he had spent the prior night getting a fake claim ready then just used it since he had it at the first sign of pressure. I read that more as a panic claim than anything else, which I think is more likely to be a scum manuever. To be clear, I do NOT think that any scum teammate told him to 'go crazy' and claim - I think a scum teammate told him to get ready to claim in case of pressure and he just overreacted. I really want to hear you elaborate more on how you read this situation though I've been very frustrated by you basically just dropping in, providing a totally unsubstantiated take, then dipping. If you're town here then you really need to provide more reasoning so that I and others can get on board with it. If you're scum feel free to keep coasting :D

ok lemme spell this out real big and clear for you

1. why claim you hit apricity with your n1 action as scum!dyo?

Givens:

a. we can assume scum!dyo didn't literally check apricity; they knew they were killing him​

b. we can assume dyo is taking orders from teammates, because dyo is not that experienced at mafia​

You seem to agree with these givens.

As scum, the only possible motivations for claiming an apricity hit as your n1 action is:

a. You do not want to give town an extra "clear" but are too scared to fake claim for a partner​

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The only way this motivation is reasonable is if scum!Dyo's inspect hit a role that is completely unprovable AND his teammates didn't just tell him to say he inspected, say, Haruno who had already pubclaimed at that point OR scum have no inspect and he is s!s with Clouds (which is absolutely insane given that Clouds literally keeps trying to vote Dyo)

As good scum, you would recognize:

a. having the inspect target be on the universally town-read apricity is an absurdly bad claim and makes no sense to most experienced cops​

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So in order to even entertain the idea that Dyo is scum, I have to believe:

a. All of the mafia are too chickenshit to try claiming even the basic "I inspected Haruno n1, the guy who pubclaimed ahead of me" -- which even that is a better claim than faking an apricity inspect -- let alone just claiming your other real inspect target​

b. Mafia handlers encouraged Dyo to claim cop well before pressure was remotely serious, and Dyo did not first go and consult at every stage of "is it ok to claim now? how about now"​

​

I refuse to believe either of these things. It is so astronomically stupid to entertain scum!Dyo still

 

[M2H]

ok lemme spell this out real big and clear for you

1. why claim you hit apricity with your n1 action as scum!dyo?

Givens:

a. we can assume scum!dyo didn't literally check apricity; they knew they were killing him​

b. we can assume dyo is taking orders from teammates, because dyo is not that experienced at mafia​

You seem to agree with these givens.

As scum, the only possible motivations for claiming an apricity hit as your n1 action is:

a. You do not want to give town an extra "clear" but are too scared to fake claim for a partner​

​

The only way this motivation is reasonable is if scum!Dyo's inspect hit a role that is completely unprovable AND his teammates didn't just tell him to say he inspected, say, Haruno who had already pubclaimed at that point OR scum have no inspect and he is s!s with Clouds (which is absolutely insane given that Clouds literally keeps trying to vote Dyo)

As good scum, you would recognize:

a. having the inspect target be on the universally town-read apricity is an absurdly bad claim and makes no sense to most experienced cops​

​

So in order to even entertain the idea that Dyo is scum, I have to believe:

a. All of the mafia are too chickenshit to try claiming even the basic "I inspected Haruno n1, the guy who pubclaimed ahead of me" -- which even that is a better claim than faking an apricity inspect -- let alone just claiming your other real inspect target​

b. Mafia handlers encouraged Dyo to claim cop well before pressure was remotely serious, and Dyo did not first go and consult at every stage of "is it ok to claim now? how about now"​

​

I refuse to believe either of these things. It is so astronomically stupid to entertain scum!Dyo still

Could have been covering for tracker.

 

[M2H]

or the more likely watcher tbf

 

[Da Letter El]

Could have been covering for tracker.

???????????

He's afraid of tracker on n1 but not on n2 when he literally checked clouds?

 

[Da Letter El]

or the more likely watcher tbf

this is more reasonable

 

[Da Letter El]

it's still wrong, but it's more reasonable

 

[Celever]

Loyalist:
Ayia
CaffeineBoost
Celever
Clouds
Da Letter El
Dave
Drookez
Dyo
Haruno
M2H
Laurel

Separatist:
Nuxl
Psypsypsypsypsythe
Realiti
Ryo
Shadowpea
Spiderz
Texas Cloverleaf
UncleSam + Yeti (Hydra, they will be treated as one player)
Vizh
Whydon

Rn we have a lock scum in Ayia / CB / Celever / Clouds / DLE / Dave / Drookez / Dyo

If Ryo was targetted by role wipe d2 we can with about 95% certainty say we have a scum in Nuxl / Realiti / Shadowpea / Spiderz / Texas / UncleSam / Vizh / Whydon

This second part is speculation on my part but is probably good speculation I would say.

Ryo was blocked N2. In the much more probable event (IMO) that blocker is scum, there at conf 2 scum in tribe b.

I doubt there’s role compression of a blocker and a wiper

 

[Psypsypsypsypsythe]

???????????

He's afraid of tracker on n1 but not on n2 when he literally checked clouds?

why would a tracker/watcher be on clouds n2?

 

[Psypsypsypsypsythe]

Ryo was blocked N2. In the much more probable event (IMO) that blocker is scum, there at conf 2 scum in tribe b.

I doubt there’s role compression of a blocker and a wiper

how do you know confirmed that ryo was blocked n2?