We'd be missing 60 pokemonSo, if SwSh got updated to include all the mons that are available in BDSP and PLA, as well as regional variants thereof, what percentage of the Pokedex is still unavailable in Galar?
We'd be missing 60 pokemonSo, if SwSh got updated to include all the mons that are available in BDSP and PLA, as well as regional variants thereof, what percentage of the Pokedex is still unavailable in Galar?
Ok so I'm not sure if you're aware already, but as I alluded to in my first post there is some context behind expecting a new Stadium.
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For context, here are the Metacritic scores for all mainline Pokemon games from 6th gen (as well as the SWSH DLCs since those were scored separately) onwards:To be fair, BDSP and Lets Go couldn't even crack 80, and SwSh was a pretty big drop from SM in the low 80s.
Yeah the mainstream press ain't perfect in many respects, and they aren't going to notice a lot of flaws us super hardcore nerds would, but its not like Nintendo can just buy them off either, and in particular they've been harsher on a lot of Pokemon stuff lately.
I'm going to be optimistic, I think if SwSh actually get the compatibility with LA pokes, it's going to be pretty much "full" compatibility.SWSH got updated with all the moves, forms and Pokemon
Sir stop giving them ideasWe'll get a new pokemon stadium
It's a gacha game
as for this...So reviews are in for PLA, seems like its got an 85 on Metacritic at the moment!
Now, Metacritic and Open Critic aren't the be all end alls (though it can be very useful for gathering reviews, and also helping you avoid stinkers like the GTA trilogy last year!), but something I noticed when reading reviews, is that they seemed very akin to Halo Infinite: basically, a game that, while doesn't nail everything, has a strong core gameplay loop and is generally considered a bold new direction for the series.
Honestly, it seems pretty exciting. Probably the first time I've been excited for a single player Pokemon experience (not counting spinoffs like New Snap) since the OG DP!
EDIT: LOL its at 86 now!
I mean you & I have definitely talked about this before, how it would make sense as both incentive to get the games and to inject a little variety into the last year of VGC, but as time has gone on (& especially now that no PLA did not try to bring in the other remaining pokemon) I have decided to err on the side of caution.I'm going to be optimistic, I think if SwSh actually get the compatibility with LA pokes, it's going to be pretty much "full" compatibility.
I think it's reasonable since they will want to keep people busy with VGC until gen 9 releases way later this year, and unless they plan on going a full 8 months of the same format (which, we know they will), the best option to keep people playing AND possibly get them to buy LA is to let them be able to use theirshinynew toys in VGC or at very least in battles with friends.
Now, this'd be a logical argument and we know GF only rarely does logic, so i'll get my COPIUM vial already.
So, if SwSh got updated to include all the mons that are available in BDSP and PLA, as well as regional variants thereof, what percentage of the Pokedex is still unavailable in Galar?
I think your and many others in this thread's mistake here is treating Hisui's new additions like any other new Pokemon roster in terms of new vs old when in reality it's more meant to be looked at as a Gen 4 expansion pack. Less than 20 new fully evolved mons is just not feasable for varied team compositions, especially if you want to do repeat playthroughs. Stuff like Hisuian Zoroark, Sneasler and Wyrdeer should be and are treated by the game with similar gravitas to OGs like Empoleon, Lucario and Electivire.Feeling extremely annoyed regarding team building this game. Hisuian Zoroark is extremely cool but you can’t get it until basically the very end of the game. A lot of the new designs I like and are rather early (Overqwil, Basculegion) are screwed over by their awful movepools. Others, like Kleavor and Hisuian Lilligant, just don’t appeal to me. Arcanine doesn’t show up until the third area, and Sneasler the fourth. I do know I want Samurott (favorite starter since it isn’t garbage in movepool/stats like Decidueye is and I like its design unlike Typhlosion), Sylveon (favorite Pokémon but haven’t used it in a playthrough since Y and without abilities it’s the perfect time to use it again) and Ursaluna (amazing stats and lovely design lol), but I’m in a pickle for the rest. I was trying to have Sylveon be the only old mon I use but idk what to do at this point. Maybe I’m thinking about team building all wrong? I could use some advice from y’all.
This is probably dumb but what do you mean by this? Just a bit confused. (If it helps I wasn't exactly here for Gen 4 lol)Stuff like Hisuian Zoroark, Sneasler and Wyrdeer should be and are treated by the game with similar gravitas to OGs like Empoleon, Lucario and Electivire.
Feeling extremely annoyed regarding team building this game. Hisuian Zoroark is extremely cool but you can’t get it until basically the very end of the game. A lot of the new designs I like and are rather early (Overqwil, Basculegion) are screwed over by their awful movepools. Others, like Kleavor and Hisuian Lilligant, just don’t appeal to me. Arcanine doesn’t show up until the third area, and Sneasler the fourth. I do know I want Samurott (favorite starter since it isn’t garbage in movepool/stats like Decidueye is and I like its design unlike Typhlosion), Sylveon (favorite Pokémon but haven’t used it in a playthrough since Y and without abilities it’s the perfect time to use it again) and Ursaluna (amazing stats and lovely design lol), but I’m in a pickle for the rest. I was trying to have Sylveon be the only old mon I use but idk what to do at this point. Maybe I’m thinking about team building all wrong? I could use some advice from y’all.
If they do add Samurott, I could see them adding Serperior and Emboar just to complete the set (considering how many people hated base game SwSh having Charizard just for Leon and then neither of the other Kanto starters).View attachment 401952
So, the first 4 columns, Samurott (hoping regular Samurott gets included), and the new 'mons and formes.
I am salty at Rowlet instead of Chespin, by the way; Alolan starters were in SwSh, but thus far Kalos is the sole region to not have any starter usable in gen VIII.
Also, please give us an online Stadium. Singles/Doubles/Triples/Rotation, megas, Z-moves AND dynamax, and all 3 consistent restrictions (Little Cup, Poke Cup (AKA no special Pokemon) and Prime Cup (everything is allowed)) would actually be hype, now that the proper games still have yet to reach the level of content the last handheld games had.
What I mean is that unlike a brand new region, the line between new Pokemon and forms and what came before isn't as clearly drawn. Legends Arceus at its core is a Sinnoh game. Its mascot is Arceus, the box shows the new starters posing alongside staples like Bidoof and Shinx, and many of the new NPCs use Pokemon like Munchlax and Leafeon as their aces. The actual new designs just serve as an extension to the 107 Pokemon introduced in DP 15 years ago, covering types that they could've used more of the first go-around like Fire and Rock. The homegrown Fire type roster of Hisui isn't just Typhlosion and Arcanine, but also Magmortar and Infernape. They may have been designed years apart, but in the context of this game they are equally important.This is probably dumb but what do you mean by this? Just a bit confused. (If it helps I wasn't exactly here for Gen 4 lol)
Literally the last place anyone should go for an opinion on the quality of a Pokémon game are pre-release game journalist reviews who were given early copies by Nintendo.
Tbh just wait until your favorite YouTuber or whatever that you trust talks about it. Remember IGN gave SwSh a 9.3 out of 10.
You wanna hear something awesome? Togekiss finally got access to moonblast in PLA. Moonblast is gonna be downright nasty with serene grace since it will have a 60% chance to drop special attack thanks to serene grace. Also, I honestly do not know why togekiss never had moonblast in the first place, since there was no reason not to give it moonblast since it is a special attacking fairy type and most special attacking fairies get it.
Feeling extremely annoyed regarding team building this game. Hisuian Zoroark is extremely cool but you can’t get it until basically the very end of the game. A lot of the new designs I like and are rather early (Overqwil, Basculegion) are screwed over by their awful movepools. Others, like Kleavor and Hisuian Lilligant, just don’t appeal to me. Arcanine doesn’t show up until the third area, and Sneasler the fourth. I do know I want Samurott (favorite starter since it isn’t garbage in movepool/stats like Decidueye is and I like its design unlike Typhlosion), Sylveon (favorite Pokémon but haven’t used it in a playthrough since Y and without abilities it’s the perfect time to use it again) and Ursaluna (amazing stats and lovely design lol), but I’m in a pickle for the rest. I was trying to have Sylveon be the only old mon I use but idk what to do at this point. Maybe I’m thinking about team building all wrong? I could use some advice from y’all.
I think your and many others in this thread's mistake here is treating Hisui's new additions like any other new Pokemon roster in terms of new vs old when in reality it's more meant to be looked at as a Gen 4 expansion pack. Less than 20 new fully evolved mons is just not feasable for varied team compositions, especially if you want to do repeat playthroughs. Stuff like Hisuian Zoroark, Sneasler and Wyrdeer should be and are treated by the game with similar gravitas to OGs like Empoleon, Lucario and Electivire.
What I mean is that unlike a brand new region, the line between new Pokemon and forms and what came before isn't as clearly drawn. Legends Arceus at its core is a Sinnoh game. Its mascot is Arceus, the box shows the new starters posing alongside staples like Bidoof and Shinx, and many of the new NPCs use Pokemon like Munchlax and Leafeon as their aces. The actual new designs just serve as an extension to the 107 Pokemon introduced in DP 15 years ago, covering types that they could've used more of the first go-around like Fire and Rock. The homegrown Fire type roster of Hisui isn't just Typhlosion and Arcanine, but also Magmortar and Infernape. They may have been designed years apart, but in the context of this game they are equally important.
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How do you go from bashing IGN to endorsing the one litmus test that is unironically worse???
I wonder how much of his hate for PLA is based on the fact that it gave us a Zorua that he hasn't tainted the image of.I feel like I shouldn't have to explain this but when I said "your favorite YouTuber" on Smogon University I wasn't talking about Verlisify.
Dead. Wrong.We'll get a new pokemon stadium
It's a gacha game
Feeling extremely annoyed regarding team building this game. Hisuian Zoroark is extremely cool but you can’t get it until basically the very end of the game. A lot of the new designs I like and are rather early (Overqwil, Basculegion) are screwed over by their awful movepools. Others, like Kleavor and Hisuian Lilligant, just don’t appeal to me. Arcanine doesn’t show up until the third area, and Sneasler the fourth. I do know I want Samurott (favorite starter since it isn’t garbage in movepool/stats like Decidueye is and I like its design unlike Typhlosion), Sylveon (favorite Pokémon but haven’t used it in a playthrough since Y and without abilities it’s the perfect time to use it again) and Ursaluna (amazing stats and lovely design lol), but I’m in a pickle for the rest. I was trying to have Sylveon be the only old mon I use but idk what to do at this point. Maybe I’m thinking about team building all wrong? I could use some advice from y’all.
I wonder how much of his hate for PLA is based on the fact that it gave us a Zorua that he hasn't tainted the image of.
While I don't disagree totally, I'd mention that with "coming" i mean "coming somewhere around august. As in, basically to give something to play with in the last 3-4 months of the generation.Sorry to break it to everyone, but at this point it's obvious SWSH is not getting any kind of new Pokemon update. The Sinnoh revisits were announced at the beginning of last year. The new VGC ruleset was announced earlier this month. At no point in that interval or afterward have they even hinted at so much as completing the original Sinnoh roster, let alone filling out all of Gens 1-3 + Hisui stuff. I get there's reason to doubt the reliability of Game Freak and friends' communication on this topic after the whole debacle of them not making it clear more Pokemon would be added in via update at the peak of the Dexit fiasco, but we're long past the point of plausible deniability by now. Even just finishing original Sinnoh would add in a bunch of Pokemon that would shake up various formats like Gliscor, Infernape and Staraptor, and that's before factoring in BDSP/PLA movepool updates or the potential for the aforementioned further Pokemon. VGC players are already planning their teams and making preliminary VRs, they can't just drop such a bombshell on them at this point. As for why they've made this decision, it's probably a mix of Covid wrecking Gen 8 VGC to a point where they don't feel it's worth expending the effort on a stillborn format and not wanting to seem like they're 100% backpedalling after the fuss at the start of the gen.