SPOILERS! Pokemon Legends: Arceus *Leak Thread*

If stadium 3 happens it's going to be the basic stadium modes using the gen 8 rulesets, online but with the little rulesets you can flip off/on that PBR etc had, a handful of minigames and maybe a gym leader castle type thing that probably at best has like 8 leaders from the recent games (if not just an original set of 8).

they will then release another stadium for gen 9 if it sells well and just shelve it entirely if it doesn't.
 
All you need to know about Verlisify (Explicit Lyrics).
still unironically one of the best Pokemon-related songs of all time

Anyways yeah Verlis is just a toxic contrarian who says opposite things for views. He defended LGPE when everyone else was lukewarm about it, defended SWSH with his LIFE the WEEK the Dexit controversy started, but when PLA is announced and people are really hyped and hopeful about it, he attacks every little thing about it and calls it the worst Pokemon game of all time even though the game hasn't even been released yet.

he's also a white supremacist who has reported ACNH islands to Nintendo for having BLM/LGBTQ+ imagery

so yeah just a horrible person all around
 
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Well I knew he was awful but the nazi thing is new to me

so that's......................f-fun?
Yeah he came out hard in support of the unite the right rally in Charlottesville a few years ago. I never liked the guy but that's when he went from "idiot who says stupid shit on the internet" to "actual fascist" for me.

But yeah that's enough words wasted on Verlisify from me at least.
 
So if an actual Stadium game is revealed it could potentially be a huge deal. If Dexit is reversed it would let Gamefreak insert as many battle slaves as they want per game. I don't think anyone gives a fuck how big the regional Pokedex is, they just don't want their Crabominable to be trapped in Pokemon Home for 5+ years. VGC is also in an awkward place as it's locked into SwSh despite being like 4 games behind at that point. But reversing Dexit for a battle simulator could be done by a relatively small team from a third party company. Imagine if the Showdown staff were hired lol.

The original Stadium / PBR games actually had sleep and freeze clause as well as a ton of other options for PVP. 3v3, 6v6, whatever the fuck you want. Add in doubles, triples if they're ambitious. Megas if they really want the community to collectively cum. Or if we're being extreme here, the option to TURN OFF THE BATTLE TIMER.

Outside the PVP aspect Stadium actually had a lot of cups to battle in. Stadium 2 even had Little Cup! Additional cups outside of standard VGC could be things like "no rules" where legends are legal, monotype cups, BST limited cups, and so on. They even had a Mewtwo battle which could be replaced by something like a Totem battle with Arceus holding the Legend Plate or w/e the new broken item is. Even generating random NPCs is relatively easy. Just pick some STABs and coverage moves. It's 4 slots to pick from a pool of moves where only like 1% is even vaguely usable. Showdown sort of does this with randbats.

Stadium also had Oak's Lab. Easy, just link to Home.

Gym Leader castle? Expand it to all gym leaders and E4 from all games. That's literally tens of hours of gameplay. They can even port the models from XY or Sun Moon directly. Legends Arceus graphically looks like a DS game, no one gives a shit!

Game Boy / Doduo / Dodrio Tower? Lets get maximum ambition here and have all DS titles released on the Switch, where they can be played at 2 or 4x speed.

Lastly we have the minigame thing. Honestly it's 2022. Just shove some minimalist generic Mario Party re-skins in and the community will collectively pee their pants. Metapod Harden gameplay literally consists of hitting A. Snore War also is just hit A. Magikarp Splash is A. Thundering Dynamo is also A... a lot. These games were so bad but it doesn't matter as long as you got a few more stars than your friend playing next to you.

Come on Gamefreak do Stadium right.
I just want to point out that when pbr released many were very disappointed it was just a battle sim, and from what im hearing from many dexit detractors is they are all mostly casuals who want to do more than just fight with mons. My point being that it probably shouldnt JUST be a battle sim, but a Pokemon Ranch of some kind as well
 
I still think HOME should get updated with Stadium features. The entire set of models is already in, although only in the phone version:

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Fully animated Mega Rayquaza, only on Android and iPhone; the Switch for some reason is not a place to have the full set of animations.


Plus, the subscription model would get a better justification as "the definitive battle and storage platform"; bring your 'mons from all your games and have them duke it out across the internet.
 
I just want to point out that when pbr released many were very disappointed it was just a battle sim, and from what im hearing from many dexit detractors is they are all mostly casuals who want to do more than just fight with mons. My point being that it probably shouldnt JUST be a battle sim, but a Pokemon Ranch of some kind as well

Yeah, this was before Dexit. PBR offered pretty much nothing besides a good soundtrack and a find battle button.

Now that Gamefreak has lowered the bar enough a PBR / Stadium game might be welcome.
 
The Genius Sonority games also felt far more cumbersome than the HAL Stadiums, mostly because the Stadiums upped the rhythm, while the GS games had stuff from the main series that utterly clashed with the grandiose setting. Like not playing the attack animation on misses.

PBR also lacked plenty of the Stadium extras, like the minigames, or the full set of rentals; it felt a bit like Colosseum's battle mode, but without the campaign it was just lackluster.
 
Due to everything having truncated movepools due to their only being less than 200 moves in the game, it will be interesting to see what expanded movepools the regional forms and new Pokemon will get in games with far more moves available. Also I wonder how many of the new movepool gains will be reversed for the returning Pokemon, since there was a similar deal with let's go. There are many level-up moves exclusive to Let's Go and TMs in the game that were in the original Gen I titles were given back all of the users that could get them back then (Like Solar Beam Lapras, and the crapton of stuff that could randomly learn Reflect), only to lose all of them in Sword/Shield and BDSP.
 
I just want to point out that when pbr released many were very disappointed it was just a battle sim, and from what im hearing from many dexit detractors is they are all mostly casuals who want to do more than just fight with mons. My point being that it probably shouldnt JUST be a battle sim, but a Pokemon Ranch of some kind as well
Honestly even moreso than the iffy casual content (which as best as I can tell isn't THAT extremely severe of a step down from the Stadium duology other than no minigames) the thing that really crippled Battle Revolution was the utterly dreadful rental selection essentially mandating that you owned DP if you wanted to use a team any more engaging than the one (1) all-NFE rental preset and make any meaningful progress with the in-game challenges. That right there represented a total misunderstanding of what made Stadium so appealing: The competent rental selection ensuring that ANYONE could have fun, make good progress and use a strong variety of Pokemon.

But yeah I agree, unless they make it some relative cheapo battle sim bundled with Home, a full revival of Stadium with the same marketing and production values as the big return of Snap would need to do so much better than Battle Revolution's meager attempt. With the context of this gen's marketing considered I think a combination of Galar Gym Leader Castle, Sinnoh Battle Frontier, minigames and some other extras combined with a strong rental selection encompassing Gens 1-8 would entice general audiences and comp players alike
 
I just want to point out that when pbr released many were very disappointed it was just a battle sim, and from what im hearing from many dexit detractors is they are all mostly casuals who want to do more than just fight with mons. My point being that it probably shouldnt JUST be a battle sim, but a Pokemon Ranch of some kind as well
While I count myself as a dexit detractor who does just want to fight with mons, having a Ranch as well seems like a really good idea to me for a completely different reason.

I want to do lots of battle tower runs with my own stupid teams, but may not be getting all the mainline games to get mons from if some of my dealbreakers continue to be common. So, if nothing else, I'd want a place to breed aura sphere squirtles to put up on the GTS for other mons.
 
As a player, I enjoy Pokémon for the cute critters. Give me a Nintendogs clone but with Pokémon instead of real-world animals and I might ditch the main series entirely.

As a programmer, I enjoy figuring out how they pulled off certain new moves and whatnot. So the battles interest me in that way.

But TL;DR: if we get a new Stadium that doesn't have some sort of Amie/Refresh built in, I probably won't get it. Or maybe I will but I'd use it solely as off-Home storage.
 
Y’all, musing about a possible Pokémon Staidum the third or Pokémon Battle Revolution 720 is fun and pointing out someone is a fascist asshole is good to do, but this isn’t really the place for that. There’s like one post on this whole page actually talking about aspects of PLA. Chewing over anything about a PS3 is mostly just wishlisting right now aside from pointing out some web domains exist. There’s nothing solid outside of that.


Due to everything having truncated movepools due to their only being less than 200 moves in the game, it will be interesting to see what expanded movepools the regional forms and new Pokemon will get in games with far more moves available. Also I wonder how many of the new movepool gains will be reversed for the returning Pokemon, since there was a similar deal with let's go. There are many level-up moves exclusive to Let's Go and TMs in the game that were in the original Gen I titles were given back all of the users that could get them back then (Like Solar Beam Lapras, and the crapton of stuff that could randomly learn Reflect), only to lose all of them in Sword/Shield and BDSP.
I think the nature of the LGPE changes and the PLA changes are a tad different. LGPE was a throwback to let Pokémon use moves they’ve long since had removed from their movepool. PLA feels more like the proper movepool expansions we werent given with BDSP. Seriously, I can’t honestly remember any changes to movepools adding new attacks outside of Leafage Turtwig, Parting Shot Chatot, Burmy, and Body Press Probopass. Exciting changes like Roost Empoleon and Close Combat Scizor feel like where all that oompah we expected to be in the remakes to go.
 
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Is it likely that this gets patched? Just don’t want to assume I’ll be able to get it and then not be able to lol

Not likely IMO. The intended route is that the player will obtain Basculegion in Area 3 and return to explore the restricted side of a river in Area 2. However, the player can cross the channel early by riding Wyrdeer off a rocky prominence and swimming to the opposite bank before he/she drowns. It may take some trial and error to find a suitably narrow ford, but after that it's fairly intuitive.

It's not even a sequence break since story progression is unaffected, so I don't see it being targeted as a bugfix. Moreover, I don't see GameFreak altering the geography of a whole river just to be 100% sure that no one finds the secret Sliggoo early. I won't pretend to understand their galaxy brain priorities, but patching "Surfless Sliggoo" looks inconvenient and rather overreactive for something so harmless.
 
I think the nature of the LGPE changes and the PLA changes are a tad different. LGPE was a throwback to let Pokémon use moves they’ve long since had removed from their movepool.

Actually Let's Go had many exclusive level-up moves, like Quick Attack Seaking, Razor Leaf Farfetch'd, Minimize Wigglytuff, Moonblast Muk, and Sucker Punch Victreebel(though the latter was also available as a Gen IV exclusive Tutor move, it was now legal with Power Whip). Granted, a lot of those moves(but none I listed) were a case of either adding Egg moves to their level-up pool due to there being no breeding in the game, or more often they just wanted every single Gen I move to be usable in the game, so they made sure there was at least one Pokemon that could learn each one, since many had been exclusive to Gen I Pokemon via old TMs/HMs/Tutors, with most, if any, natural learners of the move being from later gens(like Razor Wind)
 
All 3 states of matter.

That reminds me, Shadow Force has got its effects changed depending on which Giratina forme uses it; that makes me wonder how that may affect it, Spacial Rend and lol Roar of Time down the road, as both Darkrai and Arceus have access to at least some of those moves.
 
All 3 states of matter.

That reminds me, Shadow Force has got its effects changed depending on which Giratina forme uses it; that makes me wonder how that may affect it, Spacial Rend and lol Roar of Time down the road, as both Darkrai and Arceus have access to at least some of those moves.
I'm guessing the move probably does a check for if you're in the Origin form and only changes the effect based on that.

So if you were to, say, give Roar of Time to some random Pokemon through hacking or whatever, it'd default to the normal, Altered form effect
 
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