NOC Bigvivor Mafia Game Thread Day 5

Not gonna lie, I feel like at this point Celever is just coming out with the craziest ideas to convince himself I'm mafia lmao. Like I'm sorry my role is strong??? But you can't just switch between "I think Drookez is third party" to "I think Drookez has to be mafia" over a night. Anyways to me it just seems like you're looking at this from the perspective of "How could Drookez be strongman?" instead of "Is Drookez really a strongman?".

For my night action, I empowered DLE last night.
 
Drookez said:
Not gonna lie, I feel like at this point Celever is just coming out with the craziest ideas to convince himself I'm mafia lmao. Like I'm sorry my role is strong??? But you can't just switch between "I think Drookez is third party" to "I think Drookez has to be mafia" over a night. Anyways to me it just seems like you're looking at this from the perspective of "How could Drookez be strongman?" instead of "Is Drookez really a strongman?".

For my night action, I empowered DLE last night.
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Drookez arrives to focus on me again.

How up-to-date are you on the game?
 
M2H said:
I have a passive active action and wouldn’t be told if it did or not.
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Drookez said:
1) Empower (used on you n1)
2) Motivate (used on clouds n2)
3) Self-target Deathproof (use on me duh)

also celever voting me is kinda ??????? Can you at least be clear about your reasoning pls
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Found it btw. M2H did claim passive before Drookez claimed empowering them so ig that's moot.
 
realiti said:
hourly reminder that if drookez is mafia, mafia would have both a role wipe and an ability motivate which would be the most bullshit thing ever
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CaffeineBoost said:
Also if Drookez can accelerate the kill then someone else had to do it. So even if Drookez is scum, the Celever/DLE pool still stands.
That's specifically assuming it's an accelerated kill though.
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Ok wait so let's think about this logically.

Let's say Drookez is the accelerator and targeted Celever. This implies that Drookez is scum and Celever is scum and killed Haruno on N2 (and Clouds on N4).

Let's say that Drookez is himself the strongman. This implies that Drookez is scum and Celever is either town or scum, and Drookez killed Haruno on N2 (and Clouds on N4).

Let's say that Drookez is town and Celever is strongman. This means that Celever killed Haruno on N2 (and Clouds on N4).

Do you see the problem? Why would strongman Celever kill Clouds when Clouds is in a loverizer group with him. Unless he knew that Nuxl was also targeting Clouds, and that the interaction would work in that specific way. Even then, aren't there other, better kill options that don't require both of their roles to pull off?

In other words, I don't see a world where Celever is the strongman killer and where Drookez is not also scum. It would have to be Celever + Nuxl specifically, and I both don't buy that given the thread and don't get why they'd waste two roles to kill and roleblock Clouds when they could've killed...literally anybody else. Especially people who did not help PoE down Celever.

Given the above, strongman has to be either DLE or Drookez I'm pretty certain. Given what you've said about DLE, I'm actually almost at the point that I'm willing to vote Drookez.

We should absolutely wait for Spiderz to claim (hope the meds situation is ok...), but I actually think I'm leaning towards Drookez here. The buddying between Drookez and Realiti is setting off all kinds of alarm bells in my head and I just hate both of their claims.

Also Drookez just posted claiming he empowered DLE. Tbh that even further clears Celever of being strongman and casts some shade on DLE. However there is still no world where DLE is scum and Drookez is not scum imo.

So in other words I think I'm more or less just ready to vote Drookez here. I don't see how he isn't mafia - whether it is with Celever, with DLE, or solo (in Group A) is something we can figure out later. The only other two options are that DLE is solo strongman or it is specifically Celever + Nuxl and they did some really convoluted thing last night that cast shade on both of them. I refuse to buy the latter and I think the former is really unlikely. It is way more likely that Drookez is telling the truth about his empower and that he can either self-target, or has been targeting teammate DLE (and revealing Drookez' role PM should tell us which it is). I think from DLE's perspective it should also always be Drookez here but Da Letter El please review this post and see if you agree with it.

CaffeineBoost can you try to poke holes in this logic please. You're the only person posting regularly that I'm nearly certain is on the level.

- friendly hydra
 
UncleSam said:
Ok wait so let's think about this logically.

Let's say Drookez is the accelerator and targeted Celever. This implies that Drookez is scum and Celever is scum and killed Haruno on N2 (and Clouds on N4).

Let's say that Drookez is himself the strongman. This implies that Drookez is scum and Celever is either town or scum, and Drookez killed Haruno on N2 (and Clouds on N4).

Let's say that Drookez is town and Celever is strongman. This means that Celever killed Haruno on N2 (and Clouds on N4).

Do you see the problem? Why would strongman Celever kill Clouds when Clouds is in a loverizer group with him. Unless he knew that Nuxl was also targeting Clouds, and that the interaction would work in that specific way. Even then, aren't there other, better kill options that don't require both of their roles to pull off?

In other words, I don't see a world where Celever is the strongman killer and where Drookez is not also scum. It would have to be Celever + Nuxl specifically, and I both don't buy that given the thread and don't get why they'd waste two roles to kill and roleblock Clouds when they could've killed...literally anybody else. Especially people who did not help PoE down Celever.

Given the above, strongman has to be either DLE or Drookez I'm pretty certain. Given what you've said about DLE, I'm actually almost at the point that I'm willing to vote Drookez.

We should absolutely wait for Spiderz to claim (hope the meds situation is ok...), but I actually think I'm leaning towards Drookez here. The buddying between Drookez and Realiti is setting off all kinds of alarm bells in my head and I just hate both of their claims.

Also Drookez just posted claiming he empowered DLE. Tbh that even further clears Celever of being strongman and casts some shade on DLE. However there is still no world where DLE is scum and Drookez is not scum imo.

So in other words I think I'm more or less just ready to vote Drookez here. I don't see how he isn't mafia - whether it is with Celever, with DLE, or solo (in Group A) is something we can figure out later. The only other two options are that DLE is solo strongman or it is specifically Celever + Nuxl and they did some really convoluted thing last night that cast shade on both of them. I refuse to buy the latter and I think the former is really unlikely. It is way more likely that Drookez is telling the truth about his empower and that he can either self-target, or has been targeting teammate DLE (and revealing Drookez' role PM should tell us which it is). I think from DLE's perspective it should also always be Drookez here but Da Letter El please review this post and see if you agree with it.

CaffeineBoost can you try to poke holes in this logic please. You're the only person posting regularly that I'm nearly certain is on the level.

- friendly hydra
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seems legit.

though there are other roles to consider. rolestopper (which I suppose is basically the same as empower but instead of targeting the doer you target the receiver), roleblocker for example.

worth noting that the info that empower doesn't affect the kill did come from Drookez himself so... maybe that wasn't right.
 
I have to agree it doesn't make sense for the mafia to literally have a motivate, deathproof, and empower/strongmanizer whatever you think my third ability is. The fact that you all think I can self target is beyond me, do you think I can self motivate??? (Since I can self target with deathproof and you think im a strongman or sth). I also feel suspicious that the consensus yesterday was I'm third party, but for some reason everyone seems to just believe I am mafia today.
 
Also honestly was there a reason for me to motivate clouds considering a) I can self target based on your assumption (i cannot) and b) i can motivate someone in my "mafia faction". Please do not hit me with the "you did this to clear yourself" because I have no idea what role clouds could have - motivating him was a significant risk - and I was at that point not pressured to claim at all.
 
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