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[OVERVIEW]
Despite being seemingly outclassed by Ribombee as a Quiver Dance sweeper, two things set Lilligant apart: Sleep Powder and Nature Power. Sleep Powder allows Lilligant to safely set up against slower Pokemon that would otherwise beat it like Weezing and Togedemaru. The second is Nature Power, which transforms into Tri Attack under normal circumstances, giving Lilligant a strong attack to break past many Grass-resistant Pokemon like Charizard and Druddigon more easily, and Nature Power is easier to run on Lilligant than Ribombee due to the latter's need for Aromatherapy and Roost. This, combined with Lilligant not being forced to run Heavy-Duty Boots, lets it serve as a solid sweeper. However, Lilligant can be wildly inconsistent, as it relies on sleep turns to break past many of its switch-ins (add hyphen). Its lack of coverage also leaves it walled by Steel-types such as Togedemaru, which is troublesome if it does not get adequate Sleep turns or if Lilligant has already put a foe to sleep. Without a Speed boost, it is easily revenge killed by Pokemon like Silvally-Ghost, and even at +1, it is outsped by Choice Scarf Togedemaru and has to play a guessing game versus Ninjask. Finally, Lilligant's paltry bulk belies its decent defensive typing, and as such, Lilligant provides less defensive utility compared to other sweepers like Ribombee.

[SET]
name: Quiver Dance
move 1: Quiver Dance
move 2: Sleep Powder
move 3: Giga Drain / Petal Dance
move 4: Nature Power
item: Life Orb
ability: Chlorophyll / Own Tempo
nature: Timid
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Giga Drain is a decently powerful STAB move that heals chip damage Lilligant tends to take from entry hazards, sand, and weak attacks. Petal Dance, when combined with Own Tempo, gives Lilligant more power in exchange for giving it less sustainability. Chlorophyll bolsters Lilligant's matchup against sun teams, which are uncommon but can be annoying to deal with offensively. Lilligant dislikes opposing Steel-types such as Ferroseed and Perrserker; Togedemaru in particular is troublesome due to its access to consistent recovery, ability to pivot into an offense check, and propensity to cripple Lilligant with Toxic, so Pokemon that can break past them such as Charizard and Hitmontop are appreciated teammates. Ribombee also makes for an excellent partner, as together they can wear down each other's checks, such as Centiskorch, and open up sweeping opportunities for each other. Lilligant can hit a shared check with Sleep Powder, while Ribombee can heal annoying status from Togedemaru and Regirock with Aromatherapy. Entry hazard support from Pokemon like Froslass can help wear down Lilligant's switch-ins.

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Heracross2.0 said:
:bw/lilligant:

[OVERVIEW]
Despite being seemingly outclassed by Ribombee as a Quiver Dance sweeper, two things make Lilligant carve itself a niche. The first is Sleep Powder, which allows Lilligant to gain safe setup opportunities against slower Pokemon like Weezing and Togedemaru, which otherwise beat it. The second is Nature Power, which transforms into Tri Attack under normal circumstances, giving it a strong attack that gives it an easier time breaking past many Grass-type resists like Charizard and Druddigon. These two things combined with solid power and the ability to run an item that isn't Heavy-Duty Boots more safely than Ribombee lets it serve as a solid sweeper. However, Lilligant can be wildly inconsistent, as it relies on Sleep turns from Sleep Powder to break past many of its switchins. Its lack of coverage also leaves it walled by Steel-types such as Togedemaru, which is troublesome if it does not get adequate Sleep turns or the opponent already has a Pokemon asleep. Finally, Lilligant's paltry bulk begets its decent defensive typing, and as such, lacks any defensive utility compared to other sweepers like Ribombee. ("lacks any defensive utility..." might be a little harsh considering its resistances + its bulk being better than bee's, maybe change it to say like "provides less defensive utility than...".)

[SET]
name: Quiver Dance
move 1: Quiver Dance
move 2: Sleep Powder
move 3: Giga Drain / Petal Dance
move 4: Nature Power
item: Life Orb
ability: Chlorophyll / Own Tempo
nature: Timid
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Giga Drain is a decently powerful move that heals back random chip damage from entry hazards, Sandstorm, and weak moves. Chlorophyll bolsters Lilligant's matchup against Sun teams. (quickly mention that sun teams aren't particularly common, which makes this only situationally beneficial.) Petal Dance, when combined with Own Tempo, gives Lilligant more power in exchange for giving it less sustainability. (put this sentence before the one about chlorophyll.) Lilligant dislikes opposing Steel-types such as Togedemaru and Perserrker, so it appreciates Pokemon that can break past them such as Sawk and Gallade. Ribombee also makes for an excellent partner, as they can both wear down each other's switchins, such as Togedemaru, (between the overview and set comments, you've used togedemaru as an example four times. mention something else here.) and one can can open up a sweeping opportunity for the other. Lilligant can Sleep a shared switchin, while Ribombee can heal annoying status with Aromatherapy. Entry hazards support from Pokemon like Colossal Coalossal and Ferroseed can also help wear down Lilligant's switchins; they also switch into Fire- and Bug-types like Charizard and Scyther for it.

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:bw/lilligant:

[OVERVIEW]
Despite being seemingly outclassed by Ribombee as a Quiver Dance sweeper, two things make Lilligant carve itself a niche. The first is Sleep Powder, which allows Lilligant to gain safe setup opportunities against slower Pokemon like Weezing and Togedemaru, which otherwise beat it. The second is Nature Power, which transforms into Tri Attack under normal circumstances, giving it a strong attack that breaks past many Grass-type resists like Charizard and Druddigon easier. These two things combined with solid power and the ability to run an item that isn't Heavy-Duty Boots more safely than Ribombee lets it serve as a solid sweeper. However, Lilligant can be wildly inconsistent, as it relies on Sleep turns from Sleep Powder to break past many of its switchins. Its lack of coverage also leaves it walled by Steel-types such as Togedemaru, which is troublesome if it does not get adequate Sleep turns or the opponent already has a Pokemon asleep. Finally, Lilligant's paltry bulk begets its decent defensive typing, and as such, provides less defensive utility compared to other sweepers like Ribombee. feel like this could be shorter since mini but it works mention easily revenged by ninjask

[SET]
name: Quiver Dance
move 1: Quiver Dance
move 2: Sleep Powder
move 3: Giga Drain / Petal Dance
move 4: Nature Power
item: Life Orb
ability: Chlorophyll / Own Tempo
nature: Timid
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Giga Drain is a decently powerful move that heals back random chip damage from entry hazards, Sandstorm, and weak moves. Petal Dance, when combined with Own Tempo, gives Lilligant more power in exchange for giving it less sustainability. Chlorophyll bolsters Lilligant's matchup against Sun teams, which are uncommon but can be annoying to deal with offensively. Lilligant dislikes opposing Steel-types such as Ferroseed and Perserrker mention togedemaru and how its hard to wear down, so it appreciates Pokemon that can break past them such as Sawk and Gallade this is true but probably better off naming partners that are easier to fit w lilligant in practice. Ribombee also makes for an excellent partner, as they can both wear down each other's switchins, such as Magneton ehhh would rather see smth relevant here, naming steel again is meh anyway, and one can can open up a sweeping opportunity for the other. Lilligant can Sleep a shared switchin, while Ribombee can heal annoying status from? with Aromatherapy. Entry hazards support from Pokemon like Coalossal and Ferroseed can also help wear down Lilligant's switchins; they also switch into Fire- and Bug-types like Charizard and Scyther for it ferro the scyth switch in? honestly i feel like you're better going a more offensive route w lilli and would name froslass > the defensive ones.

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avarice said:
:bw/lilligant:

[OVERVIEW]
Despite being seemingly outclassed by Ribombee as a Quiver Dance sweeper, two things make Lilligant carve itself a niche. The first is Sleep Powder, which allows Lilligant to gain safe setup opportunities against slower Pokemon like Weezing and Togedemaru, which otherwise beat it. The second is Nature Power, which transforms into Tri Attack under normal circumstances, giving it a strong attack that breaks past many Grass-type resists like Charizard and Druddigon easier. These two things combined with solid power and the ability to run an item that isn't Heavy-Duty Boots more safely than Ribombee lets it serve as a solid sweeper. However, Lilligant can be wildly inconsistent, as it relies on Sleep turns from Sleep Powder to break past many of its switchins. Its lack of coverage also leaves it walled by Steel-types such as Togedemaru, which is troublesome if it does not get adequate Sleep turns or the opponent already has a Pokemon asleep. Finally, Lilligant's paltry bulk begets its decent defensive typing, and as such, provides less defensive utility compared to other sweepers like Ribombee. feel like this could be shorter since mini but it works mention easily revenged by ninjask

[SET]
name: Quiver Dance
move 1: Quiver Dance
move 2: Sleep Powder
move 3: Giga Drain / Petal Dance
move 4: Nature Power
item: Life Orb
ability: Chlorophyll / Own Tempo
nature: Timid
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Giga Drain is a decently powerful move that heals back random chip damage from entry hazards, Sandstorm, and weak moves. Petal Dance, when combined with Own Tempo, gives Lilligant more power in exchange for giving it less sustainability. Chlorophyll bolsters Lilligant's matchup against Sun teams, which are uncommon but can be annoying to deal with offensively. Lilligant dislikes opposing Steel-types such as Ferroseed and Perserrker mention togedemaru and how its hard to wear down, so it appreciates Pokemon that can break past them such as Sawk and Gallade this is true but probably better off naming partners that are easier to fit w lilligant in practice. Ribombee also makes for an excellent partner, as they can both wear down each other's switchins, such as Magneton ehhh would rather see smth relevant here, naming steel again is meh anyway, and one can can open up a sweeping opportunity for the other. Lilligant can Sleep a shared switchin, while Ribombee can heal annoying status from? with Aromatherapy. Entry hazards support from Pokemon like Coalossal and Ferroseed can also help wear down Lilligant's switchins; they also switch into Fire- and Bug-types like Charizard and Scyther for it ferro the scyth switch in? honestly i feel like you're better going a more offensive route w lilli and would name froslass > the defensive ones.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[Heracross2.0, 414072]]
- Quality checked by: [[asa, 400292], [username2, userid2]]
- Grammar checked by: [[username1, userid1]]
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[OVERVIEW]
Despite being seemingly outclassed by Ribombee as a Quiver Dance sweeper, two one things make Lilligant carve itself a niche sets Lilligant apart: Sleep Powder. (I may just be really confused here from not knowing much about PU, but I do not see how Nature Power sets Liligant apart from Ribombee when Ribombee runs Psychic, which is just a stronger coverage move that hits the same mons. It seems to me that the main draw of Lilligant is Sleep Powder. If for some reason Nature Power really is such a big deal, it needs to be explained better. As far as I can see, it is just a coverage move, and Ribombee even has access to the move.) The first is Sleep Powder, which allows Lilligant to gain safe setup opportunities against slower Pokemon like Weezing and Togedemaru, which otherwise beat it Sleep Powder allows Lilligant to safely set up against slower Pokemon that would otherwise beat it like Weezing and Togedemaru. The second is Nature Power, which transforms into Tri Attack under normal circumstances, giving it a strong attack that breaks past many Grass-type resists like Charizard and Druddigon easier. (this will be explained in the set comments) These two things combined with solid power and the ability to run an item that isn't Heavy-Duty Boots more safely than Ribombee lets it serve as a solid sweeper This, combined with Lilligant not being forced to run Heavy-Duty Boots, lets it serve as a solid sweeper. However, Lilligant can be wildly inconsistent, as it relies on Sleep sleep turns from Sleep Powder to break past many of its switch-ins (add hyphen). Its lack of coverage also leaves it walled by Steel-types such as Togedemaru, which is troublesome if it does not get adequate Sleep turns or the opponent already has a Pokemon asleep if Lilligant has already put a foe to sleep. Without a Speed boost, it is easily revenge killed by Pokemon like Silvally-Ghost, and even at +1, (add comma) it is outsped by Choice Scarf Togedemaru and has to play a guessing game versus Ninjask. Finally, Lilligant's paltry bulk begets belies (I imagine this is the word you meant) its decent defensive typing, and as such, Lilligant provides less defensive utility compared to other sweepers like Ribombee.

[SET]
name: Quiver Dance
move 1: Quiver Dance
move 2: Sleep Powder
move 3: Giga Drain / Petal Dance
move 4: Nature Power
item: Life Orb
ability: Chlorophyll / Own Tempo
nature: Timid
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Giga Drain is a decently powerful STAB move that heals back random chip damage Lilligant tends to take from entry hazards, Sandstorm sand, and weak moves attacks. Petal Dance, when combined with Own Tempo, gives Lilligant more power in exchange for giving it less sustainability. Nature Power, which transforms into Tri Attack under normal conditions, gives Lilligant the means to break through Grass-resistant Pokemon like Charizard and Druddigon more easily. Chlorophyll bolsters Lilligant's matchup against sun teams, which are uncommon but can be annoying to deal with offensively. Lilligant dislikes opposing Steel-types such as Ferroseed and Perserrker, with special mention to Togedemaru due to its recovery and ability to pivot out into an offensive check or poison it with Toxic, so it appreciates Pokemon that can break past them such as Charizard and Hitmontop Perrserker; Togedemaru in particular is troublesome due to its access to consistent recovery, ability to pivot into an offense check, and propensity to cripple Lilligant with Toxic, so Pokemon that can break past them such as Charizard and Hitmontop are appreciated teammates. Ribombee also makes for an excellent partner, as together they can both wear down each other's switchins checks, such as Centiskorch, and one can can open up a sweeping opportunity for the other open up sweeping opportunities for each other. Lilligant can Sleep hit a shared switchin check with Sleep Powder, while Ribombee can heal annoying status from Togedemaru and Regirock with Aromatherapy. Entry hazards support from Pokemon like Froslass can also help wear down Lilligant's switch-ins (add hyphen).

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[Heracross2.0, 414072]]
- Quality checked by: [[asa, 400292], [avarice, 346653]]
- Grammar checked by: [[dex, 277988]]
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1/1, my changes are fairly intensive here, so feel free to pm me on discord if you have questions about them. Particularly, I am miffed as to how Nature Power in particular separates it from Ribombee when a) Ribombee runs a stronger coverage move in Psychic and b) Ribombee itself gets Nature Power. I moved the mention of the move to the set comments section.
 
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[OVERVIEW]
Despite being seemingly outclassed by Ribombee as a Quiver Dance sweeper, two things make Lilligant has two moves to carve itself a niche. The first is Sleep Powder, which allows Lilligant to gain gives it safe setup opportunities against slower Pokemon like Weezing and Togedemaru, which otherwise beat it. The second is Nature Power, which transforms into Tri Attack under normal circumstances, giving it a strong attack that breaks past many Grass-type resists Grass-resistant Pokemon like Charizard and Druddigon easier. more easily. These two things moves combined with solid power, (AC) and the ability to run an item that isn't besides Heavy-Duty Boots more safely than Ribombee, (AC) lets it serve as a solid sweeper. However, Lilligant can be wildly inconsistent, as it relies on sleep turns from Sleep Powder to get enough boosts to (I assume?) break past many of its switch-ins. (added hyphen) Its lack of coverage also leaves it walled by Steel-types such as Togedemaru, which is troublesome if it does not get adequate Sleep turns or makes this inconsistency especially bad against Steel-types such as Togedemaru, which also wall it outright if (as long as this still makes sense) the opponent already has another Pokemon asleep. Without a Speed boost, it is easily revenge killed by Pokemon like Silvally-Ghost, and even at +1, (AC) it's outsped by Choice Scarf Togedemaru and has to play a guessing game versus Ninjask. Finally, Lilligant's paltry bulk begets betrays (or other word but im p sure 'begets' doesn't have that use case) its decent defensive typing, and as such, so it provides less defensive utility compared to than other sweepers like Ribombee.

[SET]
name: Quiver Dance
move 1: Quiver Dance
move 2: Sleep Powder
move 3: Giga Drain / Petal Dance
move 4: Nature Power
item: Life Orb
ability: Chlorophyll / Own Tempo
nature: Timid
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Giga Drain is a decently powerful move that heals back random chip damage from entry hazards, Sandstorm, and weak moves. miscellaneous chip damage. Petal Dance, when combined with Own Tempo, gives Lilligant more power in exchange for giving it less sustainability. Chlorophyll bolsters Lilligant's matchup against sun teams, which are uncommon but can be annoying to deal with offensively. Lilligant dislikes opposing Steel-types such as Ferroseed and Perserrker, with special mention to Togedemaru, (AC) due to its recovery and ability to which has recovery and can pivot out into an offensive check or poison it with Toxic, so Toxic. Therefore, it appreciates Pokemon that can break past them such as Charizard and Hitmontop. Ribombee also makes for an excellent partner, as they can both wear down each other's switch-ins (added hyphen + removed comma) such as Centiskorch, and one can can open up a sweeping opportunity for the other. Lilligant can sleep a shared switch-in, (added hyphen) while Ribombee can heal annoying status from Togedemaru and Regirock with Aromatherapy. Entry hazards support from Pokemon like Froslass can also help wear down Lilligant's switchins. (this is pretty applicable to every offensive pokemon. if it matters for specific important calcs, or if froslass has some special synergy with lilligant, you can add that info and keep this, but if you do so, add hyphen to switchins).

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- Written by: [[Heracross2.0, 414072]]
- Quality checked by: [[asa, 400292], [avarice, 346653]]
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[OVERVIEW]
Despite being seemingly outclassed by Ribombee as a Quiver Dance sweeper, two one things make Lilligant carve itself a niche sets Lilligant apart: Sleep Powder. (I may just be really confused here from not knowing much about PU, but I do not see how Nature Power sets Liligant apart from Ribombee when Ribombee runs Psychic, which is just a stronger coverage move that hits the same mons. It seems to me that the main draw of Lilligant is Sleep Powder. If for some reason Nature Power really is such a big deal, it needs to be explained better. As far as I can see, it is just a coverage move, and Ribombee even has access to the move.) The first is Sleep Powder, which allows Lilligant to gain safe setup opportunities against slower Pokemon like Weezing and Togedemaru, which otherwise beat it Sleep Powder allows Lilligant to safely set up against slower Pokemon that would otherwise beat it like Weezing and Togedemaru. The second is Nature Power, which transforms into Tri Attack under normal circumstances, giving it a strong attack that breaks past many Grass-type resists like Charizard and Druddigon easier. (this will be explained in the set comments) These two things combined with solid power and the ability to run an item that isn't Heavy-Duty Boots more safely than Ribombee lets it serve as a solid sweeper This, combined with Lilligant not being forced to run Heavy-Duty Boots, lets it serve as a solid sweeper. However, Lilligant can be wildly inconsistent, as it relies on Sleep sleep turns from Sleep Powder to break past many of its switch-ins (add hyphen). Its lack of coverage also leaves it walled by Steel-types such as Togedemaru, which is troublesome if it does not get adequate Sleep turns or the opponent already has a Pokemon asleep if Lilligant has already put a foe to sleep. Without a Speed boost, it is easily revenge killed by Pokemon like Silvally-Ghost, and even at +1, (add comma) it is outsped by Choice Scarf Togedemaru and has to play a guessing game versus Ninjask. Finally, Lilligant's paltry bulk begets belies (I imagine this is the word you meant) its decent defensive typing, and as such, Lilligant provides less defensive utility compared to other sweepers like Ribombee.

[SET]
name: Quiver Dance
move 1: Quiver Dance
move 2: Sleep Powder
move 3: Giga Drain / Petal Dance
move 4: Nature Power
item: Life Orb
ability: Chlorophyll / Own Tempo
nature: Timid
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Giga Drain is a decently powerful STAB move that heals back random chip damage Lilligant tends to take from entry hazards, Sandstorm sand, and weak moves attacks. Petal Dance, when combined with Own Tempo, gives Lilligant more power in exchange for giving it less sustainability. Nature Power, which transforms into Tri Attack under normal conditions, gives Lilligant the means to break through Grass-resistant Pokemon like Charizard and Druddigon more easily. Chlorophyll bolsters Lilligant's matchup against sun teams, which are uncommon but can be annoying to deal with offensively. Lilligant dislikes opposing Steel-types such as Ferroseed and Perserrker, with special mention to Togedemaru due to its recovery and ability to pivot out into an offensive check or poison it with Toxic, so it appreciates Pokemon that can break past them such as Charizard and Hitmontop Perrserker; Togedemaru in particular is troublesome due to its access to consistent recovery, ability to pivot into an offense check, and propensity to cripple Lilligant with Toxic, so Pokemon that can break past them such as Charizard and Hitmontop are appreciated teammates. Ribombee also makes for an excellent partner, as together they can both wear down each other's switchins checks, such as Centiskorch, and one can can open up a sweeping opportunity for the other open up sweeping opportunities for each other. Lilligant can Sleep hit a shared switchin check with Sleep Powder, while Ribombee can heal annoying status from Togedemaru and Regirock with Aromatherapy. Entry hazards support from Pokemon like Froslass can also help wear down Lilligant's switch-ins (add hyphen).

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[Heracross2.0, 414072]]
- Quality checked by: [[asa, 400292], [avarice, 346653]]
- Grammar checked by: [[dex, 277988]]
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1/1, my changes are fairly intensive here, so feel free to pm me on discord if you have questions about them. Particularly, I am miffed as to how Nature Power in particular separates it from Ribombee when a) Ribombee runs a stronger coverage move in Psychic and b) Ribombee itself gets Nature Power. I moved the mention of the move to the set comments section.
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For clarification, the reason I did not bring up Ribombee running a coverage move is that 4/5 sets do not run them. The current QD/Moonblast/Aromatherapy/Roost set is so valuable to the meta for numerous reasons. Ribombee is often used as a cleric and a Scrafty counter, so Aromatherapy and Roost are mandatory. Moonblast is a given, and finally, Quiver Dance means Ribombee can be a great win condition. For these reasons, most Ribombees cannot feasibly fit Psychic, and the ones that do are niche sets like 3 Atks QD or Choice Specs. However, I made sure to add clarification as to why Nature Power is valuable compared to Ribombee in the analysis. If this isn't good enough and you would rather me put it in set comments, just tell me and I'll fix it.
 
The second is Nature Power, which transforms into Tri Attack under normal circumstances, giving it Lilligant a strong attack that breaks to break past many Grass-type resists Grass-resistant Pokemon like Charizard and Druddigon easier more easily, and Nature Power can be is easier to run easier on Lilligant than on Ribombee due to the latter's need for multiple moves Aromatherapy and Roost.
Makes sense now, thanks for explaining it.
 
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