Plague von Karma
Banned deucer.
Approved by phoopes I think
So this is a tier that's been theorised about among newer players. However, it has remained mostly dormant for many years due to modern simulators' inabilities to simulate many aspects that would define the metagame, most notably pre-status. Thus, this thread would essentially be for people to talk out of their asses about playing this tier.
There are two ways to play this tier:
So RBY AG would end up allowing pre-status, Dig/Fly, OHKO moves, Evasion, multiple Pokemon, multiple sleep/frz, and Tradebacks, if we're being consistent. This is pretty insane. I know some people like to say Tradebacks is something separate but I think they're kidding themselves. Plus, trust me, with pre-status around, you'd want Tradebacks. Badly. Anything but Tradebacks sounds cringe anyway.
So lemme get some cool theorymonning in.
Big Mewtwo!
Obviously, you'd want a Mewtwo or three on your team. I like the idea of having one standard BoltBeam, one Barrier + Amnesia, I don't know why. You could use a pre-paralysed Barrier + Amnesia Mewtwo to PP stall really hard, yeah? But maybe a Double Team set would be better. I doubt you'd want all Mewtwos for some reason, I think an Explosion user and a few other Pokemon may end up being more important.
Lapras :3
A pre-burned Lapras with Double Team + Rest is insane. I saw this set quite a few times and it would tear my ass a new one. Main issue is it's quite passive, but it can afford to stick around anyway. If you're feeling particularly hateful of humanity, you can use Horn Drill, but you're quite slow and pre-status makes spreading paralysis almost impossible. That brings me to my next batch...
Haze?!
So getting sleep and paralysis off gets quite difficult when you have Pokemon with pre-burn and pre-poison coming in initially. One thing a friend of mine did against me way back in the day was bring Haze Dragonite, which would do a number on me as I sucked against it. Note that Haze will not remove your own pre-status. Haze / Wrap / Thunder Wave / Blizzard, I think the set was, but I think you could use Horn Drill without getting laughed at. Wrap is insane for all the pre-status going around, you could even bring AgiliWrap to abuse that trend honestly. Gengar gets Hypnosis so it's probably one of the best sleepers on this basis. At the same time, once you've Hazed one Pokemon, your opponent is in a 50/50 where they can switch into the Gengar to block the sleep anyway. It's kind of weird. Tentacruel and Dodrio seem alright, especially the latter for OHKOing Jynx, but I think Jynx dies in a pre-status metagame.
Idk ToxSeed?
I've considered the ToxSeed combination as Evasion counterplay before; this happens in NC97, but it's 3v3 and not 6v6, so I don't think it would end up being particularly useful...and only Exeggutor would be good with it.
So this is a tier that's been theorised about among newer players. However, it has remained mostly dormant for many years due to modern simulators' inabilities to simulate many aspects that would define the metagame, most notably pre-status. Thus, this thread would essentially be for people to talk out of their asses about playing this tier.
There are two ways to play this tier:
- rby.psim.us works on mobile according to pac, which I've confirmed. I put a mod on there a long time ago that adds items which induce pre-status. For example, Mewtwo @ psn would have it spawn poisoned instantly. Pre-damage is not possible, though, so you can't, like, add -1 HP to avoid jank L85 Seismic Toss users. If you want to try stuff out, that's a place to start.
- If you're an ascended Pikasav-using TGBDualer (or BGB, that works too) like me, you can also play netplay. In which case, DM me on Discord or something and we can play that way! Used to play this back in my Skype days.
So RBY AG would end up allowing pre-status, Dig/Fly, OHKO moves, Evasion, multiple Pokemon, multiple sleep/frz, and Tradebacks, if we're being consistent. This is pretty insane. I know some people like to say Tradebacks is something separate but I think they're kidding themselves. Plus, trust me, with pre-status around, you'd want Tradebacks. Badly. Anything but Tradebacks sounds cringe anyway.
So lemme get some cool theorymonning in.
Big Mewtwo!
Obviously, you'd want a Mewtwo or three on your team. I like the idea of having one standard BoltBeam, one Barrier + Amnesia, I don't know why. You could use a pre-paralysed Barrier + Amnesia Mewtwo to PP stall really hard, yeah? But maybe a Double Team set would be better. I doubt you'd want all Mewtwos for some reason, I think an Explosion user and a few other Pokemon may end up being more important.
Lapras :3
A pre-burned Lapras with Double Team + Rest is insane. I saw this set quite a few times and it would tear my ass a new one. Main issue is it's quite passive, but it can afford to stick around anyway. If you're feeling particularly hateful of humanity, you can use Horn Drill, but you're quite slow and pre-status makes spreading paralysis almost impossible. That brings me to my next batch...
Haze?!
So getting sleep and paralysis off gets quite difficult when you have Pokemon with pre-burn and pre-poison coming in initially. One thing a friend of mine did against me way back in the day was bring Haze Dragonite, which would do a number on me as I sucked against it. Note that Haze will not remove your own pre-status. Haze / Wrap / Thunder Wave / Blizzard, I think the set was, but I think you could use Horn Drill without getting laughed at. Wrap is insane for all the pre-status going around, you could even bring AgiliWrap to abuse that trend honestly. Gengar gets Hypnosis so it's probably one of the best sleepers on this basis. At the same time, once you've Hazed one Pokemon, your opponent is in a 50/50 where they can switch into the Gengar to block the sleep anyway. It's kind of weird. Tentacruel and Dodrio seem alright, especially the latter for OHKOing Jynx, but I think Jynx dies in a pre-status metagame.
Idk ToxSeed?
I've considered the ToxSeed combination as Evasion counterplay before; this happens in NC97, but it's 3v3 and not 6v6, so I don't think it would end up being particularly useful...and only Exeggutor would be good with it.
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