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Two reasons:
1. the aforementioned evolutions (except electrode) change up the silhouette pretty decently- and with Electrode, it's quite literally flipped upside down. that's pretty flimsy, yeah? Here's the thing. Mega evolutions usually keep the Pokemon's basic silhouette/structure.
2. because we're told this is what an evolution can be, we are conditioned to accept that as an evolution. we've been understanding "multiple bodies = evolution" for 26 years at this point. we've seen Electrode, Dugtrio, Muk, Weezing, Magneton, etc. for decades at this point. We know that fits naturally as a Pokemon evolution. i could go into some psychology stuff but uh. why
1. the aforementioned evolutions (except electrode) change up the silhouette pretty decently- and with Electrode, it's quite literally flipped upside down. that's pretty flimsy, yeah? Here's the thing. Mega evolutions usually keep the Pokemon's basic silhouette/structure.
2. because we're told this is what an evolution can be, we are conditioned to accept that as an evolution. we've been understanding "multiple bodies = evolution" for 26 years at this point. we've seen Electrode, Dugtrio, Muk, Weezing, Magneton, etc. for decades at this point. We know that fits naturally as a Pokemon evolution. i could go into some psychology stuff but uh. why
No it doesn’t (at least to me) and I previously mentioned that there were some cases (mostly in Gen 1) where Pokemon such as those 3 lines you mentioned existed, but most evolutions were far different from the original design, compared to pretty much every mega evolution, which look more like forms.
I find LGPE's orchestral soundtrack unfitting. I don’t know what the music should have sounded like instead, probably kazoo remixes of Kanto's old tunes.
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Honestly I prefer Raichu immensely. Always have. Not that Pikachu isn't cool, but Raichu is just way better.
So klinklang line have drastically different designs?
servine and krokorok look like they slightly older version of their pre evolutions.
Proopass looks just like Nosepass but with a hat and moustache
Between the Klink line and the group of Gen 1 Pokemon you mentioned before, I'm not sure why you think cherry-picking the Pokemon you'd expect to find in a "Top Ten Laziest Pokemon Designs" listicle makes for a compelling argument.
Most evolutions look like older versions of their pre-evolutions. Mega evolutions don't. I don't know what the hell you're talking about there. Probopass looks more different from Nosepass than any mega evolution looks from their base form.
ffs do you want me to list every fucking line that doesn’t have big changes in it? I’m talking about a general perspective on all Pokemon in the entire game. And please try to understand generally the difference is far more significant in a normal evo than any of the Megas.
IDW Sonic sucks
Sorry, had to vent
Anyway, I'm thinking of how fandoms can warp things. Pokemon and Sonic's are very similar in narcissism and nostalgia growing to toxic levels over time, and trash Youtuber opinions swaying some
Along with an equally insidious opinion
"Fans are more faithful of these characters" or "Fans can do better than the conpany"
As well as a general misunderstanding of company mandates, dev hell, and other inner politics
Leading to flane war-esque rumors and misconceptions
So for everyone in the thread, beware of this. It's so common in long lasting (over 5 years) franchises, leads to cycles of fandom hell, and in general, something that contributed to hyper nostalgia and less risk in the industry after 2010s
Sorry, had to vent
Anyway, I'm thinking of how fandoms can warp things. Pokemon and Sonic's are very similar in narcissism and nostalgia growing to toxic levels over time, and trash Youtuber opinions swaying some
Along with an equally insidious opinion
"Fans are more faithful of these characters" or "Fans can do better than the conpany"
As well as a general misunderstanding of company mandates, dev hell, and other inner politics
Leading to flane war-esque rumors and misconceptions
So for everyone in the thread, beware of this. It's so common in long lasting (over 5 years) franchises, leads to cycles of fandom hell, and in general, something that contributed to hyper nostalgia and less risk in the industry after 2010s
Gen 7 is the best generation overall. It's my favorite for competitive, and while I think that PMD Sky and the gen 5 games are the best overall, the Alola games are a close second.
"*dev that isn't GF* should have made the latest big Pokémon game!"
About more specific fan ideas, realistic graphics are a no-go for me. There is plenty of fanart depicting the fictional creatures in varying levels of "looks like real life" and some of them look yucky to say the least. Ditto is a standout example because it's perfect as a cutesy bisexual shape-shifting blob with a smiley face.
Congrats on ditto for coming out
I was going to say Ditto is omnisexual, but as it turned out, they aren't compatible with other Ditto, Nidorina, Nidoqueen, and most Legendary Pokémon.
It's also not confirmed yet if Ditto and humans are compatible. Not officially at least.
I think Ditto is pansexual, because it can breed with genderless Pokémon as well.
I think the kind of realism that works best for Pokémon is Pokkén or what we've seen in the Scarlet and Violet trailers, where they have details like fur/feathers/scales but are still stylised.
I think the kind of realism that works best for Pokémon is Pokkén or what we've seen in the Scarlet and Violet trailers, where they have details like fur/feathers/scales but are still stylised.
Not gonna lie, part of me wants to see a hyper-realistic Pokemon game where all the Pokemon are horrifying monsters like this, or this. Maybe some Ark: Survival Evolved style game where they mercilessly kill you and devour your flesh. Not because I think it even remotely fits in with the tone of the series but precisely because it doesn't.
Detective Pikachu movie already traumatized us enough with the realistic designs, thanks
Detective Pikachu movie already traumatized us enough with the realistic designs, thanks
Yeah, that Mr. Mime is going to be hard to beat...
Detective Pikachu I also think fell into some common trappings with "Pokemon if Real!" art designs, in that they didn't really seem like they redesigned the Pokemon so much as edited a few features. Like, Mr. Mime they basically reduced some of the "fat" in his design to give him a more human face, as opposed to trying to retain the aesthetic of the Pokemon concept which was a rounded and funny Clown guy. Ludicolo falls into a similar trapping by just throwing the wet "hair/feather" look and the cross-eyed expression. The colors aren't particularly vibrant and there's nothing peppy or goofy about how this arguably-stereotypical Hispanic Hat Dancing Duck Kappa looks.
Bulbasaur and Greninja handle this a bit better, giving them more real-world Texturing but retaining more or less the same color scheme, and I think most importantly, the faces were kept in proportion with the rest of the look without adding unnecessary detail. Mr. Mime's face is basically a human one on top of the body shape, so it evokes the uncanny valley a lot harder than "real-ified" versions of distinctly non-human Creatures, doubly so when adding things like brow furrowing but retaining the lack of a nose.
The only Pokemon for whom I kind of let this slide is Mewtwo, since the Manmade origin of the Pokemon sort of benefits from the uncanny and unnatural air the detail gives off.
Bulbasaur and Greninja handle this a bit better, giving them more real-world Texturing but retaining more or less the same color scheme, and I think most importantly, the faces were kept in proportion with the rest of the look without adding unnecessary detail. Mr. Mime's face is basically a human one on top of the body shape, so it evokes the uncanny valley a lot harder than "real-ified" versions of distinctly non-human Creatures, doubly so when adding things like brow furrowing but retaining the lack of a nose.
The only Pokemon for whom I kind of let this slide is Mewtwo, since the Manmade origin of the Pokemon sort of benefits from the uncanny and unnatural air the detail gives off.
I am perfectly fine with their choices of Fairy type retcons. All of them were either single-typed Pokemon that got Fairy added as a 2nd type(Igglybuff/Jiggypuff/Wigglytuff, Mime Jr./Mr. Mime Azurill/Marill/Azumarill, Ralts/Kirlia/Gardevoir, Mawile, Cottonee/Whimsicott), or a Normal type that had it's Normal typing swapped out for Fairy(Cleffa/Clefairy/Clefable, Togepi/Togetic/Togekiss, Snubbull/Granbull). They intentionally left out ones that could potentially be overpowering(Chansey and many Single-typed Legendary/Mythical Pokemon) or would require swapping out a type that was not Normal(Lots of them I could list that fans wanted, most commonly stuff like like Gallade) so as not to disrupt their STAB options too much. Also for Normal type, which lost 8 Pokemon, they made sure to add exactly 8 new Normal types in Gen VI so at least the number would stay the same instead of going down. Additionally, the only moves to be retconned to Fairy type were three normal-type status moves introduced in Gen II(Charm, Moonlight, and Sweet Kiss) and they simply created a whole line-up of brand new damage moves for the type.
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I feel like this is at least in part a response to what I said in the other thread, but the only Legendary/Mythical Pokemon that you can unambiguously argue from a design standpoint should be Fairy-type are the Lake Trio (and possibly Manaphy but I'll concede that balance is at least a question in its case). I don't think that any of the Lake trio would be even close to overpowered with Fairy-typing added. You've got your pick of a faster Lele with way less team support and less hitting power, a wall with no recovery, and... whatever role it is Mesprit is supposed to fill (AKA also outclassed by Lele, and probably Gardevoir too). None of these Pokemon would suddenly be broken if they gained Fairy-typing, however they would be a little bit better.
There are other legendaries/mythicals I think you could argue should logically be Fairy-types (Celebi, Jirachi, and Manaphy specifically) but at least there are valid concerns there, with Celebi and Jirachi already being dual-typed Pokemon and possible balance concerns around giving Manaphy, already a fantastic Pokemon, Water/Fairy typing. I think you'd be hard-pressed to raise similar concerns about the Lake Trio, however.
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