Add Kilowattrel to defog deterrent, it has competitive
Put Revavroom in Shift Gear sweepers
Even tho it's true that Kilowattrel has the ability Competitive, it trully doesn't want to run it in the current state of the metagame. There isn't a lot of defoggers and Kilowattrel really wants its Electric-type immunity provided by Volt Absorb. In the same way, Revavroom is indeed a Shift Gear user but its offensive set is kinda bad not gonna lie. It's a Pokémon which must use the Terastallization in order to be effective. Its movepool really sucks and this leads it to not be able to beat common our common Water + Ground-types (Quagsire and Gastrodon) without running both Terastallization Grass and Tera Blast. It even struggles to beat things like Hippowdon or Sandy Shocks without it. On the other hand, outside of Bulldoze which is a terrible move, it doesn't have anything to hit Steel-types, thus it struggles to bypass things such as Lucario, Bisharp or Foretress without Terastallization Ground/Fire + Tera Blast (Fire is needed to beat Bronzong).
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I think we should definitely put Tauros-Water in this section with all these other Choice Band users, it has Wave Crash + Close Combat for some really nice stabs, a really nice priority option in Aqua Jet which can revenge mons like Pawmot, Gengar and Staraptor once they have been chipped down enough by Hazards, and great coverage in Stone Edge for mons such as Gyarados, Salamence, and Altaria and Wild Charge for the Slowtwins and Gyarados. Also doesn't always need pivots to get in, defensive typing is actually pretty nice and 70/105 physical bulk with intimidate is actually pretty damn good. All of these traits makes a mon who is very hard to wall defensively while also not being complete tinfoil paper and thus I believe deserves a spot here. Choice Band on Tauros-Water also breaks Quagsire with Close Combat, so don't worry about that being a bad match up either.
Added to Choice Band user + physical wallbreaker.
hey! thx for this resource. its super helpful for me when building teams.
heres a couple of things i'd add personally:
rocks/scarf krook - good speed tier, basically plays the same as last gen but has gunk shot instead of knock
tspikes gengar/salazzle - both insane abusers of the move considering how often they force switches
specs pelipper - extremely threatening mon by itself, great on semi-rain, 2hkos/ohkos basically everything in the tier
maybe add a section for first impression (slither wing)?
mayyybe add a section for trailblaze abusers? stuff like medicham/heracross? this ones prob unnecessary but worth considering
thanks again for putting together this resource!!
All those things have been added except the Trailblaze user part. The First Impression Slither Wind was definitively a omission of my part.
Add:
- Venomoth to Special Sweepers / Quiver Dance users
- A section for Will-O-Wisp and maybe Twave users?
Venomoth was added. For the T-Wave / WoW users, I feel like it's too early to add it (not sure it's also worth it). I added Toxic and Knock Off users due to the massive cutoff we got between Generation 8 and Generation 9.
Maybe add sections for the other 2 weathers? Even if it’s just a sun setter and hail setter, other weathers exist and sun is really good with protosynthesis
Hail/Snow and Sun are quite tough to play at the moment, especially with Sand Stream and Drizzle users such as Hippowdon and Pelipper. If we had Torkoal, I will have added a part for Sun teams but without a Drought user, it's quite tough to justify it (even with Pokémon like Slither Wing which can activate their ability with the Sun). Hail/Snow team are not a thing at all atm, the only "real" abuser is Cetitan alongside Slowking with Chilly Reception but it's more a gimmick core based on Hail/Snow than a real archetype.
I am against this, as there are 3 hail abusers (Beartic, Cetitan, and Jolteon), all of which are fringe at best, in Scarlet/Violet as of right now. As for Sun, there is no Drought setter in the game right now which means you have to rely on manual Sun. Generally, I do not think that Sun is good at the moment and should not be presented as an alternative weather to Rain.
In the "Choice Specs" and "Offensive Pivot" sections, Iron Jugulis' sprite is also broken.
Personally I would advise against adding Sylveon as a Choice Specs user because it's probably not very good but since the metagame is brand-new I suppose it's probably fine to keep and then edit it out later if the need arises. Another suggestion: maybe put some of the Pokémon that are less good at their roles in brackets? For example, sure Pelipper is a defensive pivot, but it's not really going to be used on a balance team and will likley almost exclusively see usage on Rain teams, as it did in Generation 8 when it dropped for a short period of time. Same goes for Barraskewda in the Choice Band category, I see little reason to not just use Floatzel.
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Thank you for taking the time to assemble this and great work on it!
I don't see any issues on my side with Iron Jugulis sprite. It's also too early to really make a difference between the good and the niche users, that's why I didn't make a separation yet. I strongly disagree on the Barraskewda vs Floatzel part. While it's true that Floatzel hits harder than Barraskewda thanks to Wave Crash, this leads it to die much more quicker since it's wearing down itself. Barraskewda has also a better speed tier and hits stronger than Floatzel on any move except Wave Crash, it has a stronger Liquidation and much better coverage options.
Thanks for making this moute.
I thought it might be useful for healing wish users to have a section, or perhaps have them as part of the section with revival blessing and wish.
You forgot to add the section for clerics for status healing. Oh wait...
Indeed it's an omission on my part. I added Healing Wish users.
but also Chansey line as Heal Bell users.
can Iron Jugulis be a knock off user. it can use it on boots sets to pivot in and out and cripple would be checks such as scream tail, tinkaton, blissey, florges, rotom-wash, talon, umbreon, etc
This was added !
Thanks to all the people who already post. I greatly appreciate your investment and contribution proposals !
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should be here instead (Grafaiai)
