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The TD team has obtained evidence that Finchinator used a stratagem to obtain his opponents' teams prior to his or his teammates' games. It went as such: A bot was able to join battles before they were hid on the main PS server. The bot joined those under a guest account so no join messages showed when it did. Finchinator would use the bot to collect teams from potential opponents and as such, he could gain an incredible advantage over his opponents. This bot could join games in masses, to a point where Finchinator himself described it as it "could work for any tier except OU" because of the volume. We have proof that Finchinator used the bot to gain teams for his teammates' games. For instance, we have screens showing that he was able to obtain an opponent's team, and via an intermediate influenced his teammate's team choice for the match. The match in question resulted in a win for Finchinator.
real...
It helps when finch confidently permitted his ting Lu to go sub 50%… he didn’t need to do that and let him back into the game! There was no attempt to soften anything tho, just went straight for the thunder spam (instead of hurricane, lol)
realistically, with no way to contest the damp rock + 8 turns of rain, it’s not as one sided as it seems
it's ok MudkipNerd you still have the people's hearts, Big Stall™ can't oppress the future free people of Smogon forever
ok well, since i didnt get 6-0'd every time i think i deserve one sixth of a vote on the council!!!
we moved it to a bo5 for the people and i won in 3, ggs
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it's been so awesome welcoming people from all walks of competitive pokemon to our metagame the last couple of weeks, i hope you guys stick around. hmu if you need anything
the next chapter of hype fights is here with youtube superstar freezai, too. check it out: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threa...or-vs-freezai-january-1st-2-pm-gmt-5.3713523/
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-1757396412
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-1757424970
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-1757441181
it's been so awesome welcoming people from all walks of competitive pokemon to our metagame the last couple of weeks, i hope you guys stick around. hmu if you need anything
the next chapter of hype fights is here with youtube superstar freezai, too. check it out: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threa...or-vs-freezai-january-1st-2-pm-gmt-5.3713523/
Does Unnerve prevent Leppa Berry mons from regaining PP on their moves? Because that would give the definitive boot of Rabsxca out of OU and into UU
SMOGON LOVES STALL
(REAL)
(REAL)
honestly sad he didn’t use it
AND IM GONNA BE COMMENTATING IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (the only commentator btw) (no this was not agreed on but i will make it happen)
I'm gonna feel sorry if Pex drops to UU because Rain might dominate with Pex on Rain teams in UU
"I'm sorry MudkipNerd-kun, but my heart belongs to Toxipex."
Court Change might actually give a way to just circumvent Gholdengo, thus letting hazard stacking be neutralized, like its defog spam all over again...
Bulky Support Pawmot is the future! 
I don't see enough people talk about Pawmot enough, especially its support capabilities. Obviously, Revival Blessing is the key point for Pawmot in any set, but the Mon does pack a few other good support options as well!
Nuzzle first comes to mind. Easy Paralysis spread and some free damage on top of it.
Fake Out, another more straightforward option. But there's more layers to this mouse then you'd expect!
It gets Protect and Substitute, of course, which is pretty standard, but deserve mentions.
It also get Encore, which, combined with Protect, can potentially help you scout out for whether the opponent will try to set up, or hit immediately, allowing for a safe Revival Blessing, or forcing a switch, really, several interactions. Encore is normally always good.
Wish deservers a mention, even though I couldn't find much use for it on the Bulky Support Pawmot set I came up with.
Sweet Kiss? Personally I don't care for a base 75% accuracy option that can just miss in crucial situations. This move radiates alot of "Focus Blast Energy", but if it does hit, could lead to a switch out, which, in most cases, put you in an advantage. But I don't have much experience with it.
Finally, Thief! Thief is a rather gimmicky option, but think about it like this. You burned your Leppa Berry, and now you have no item. In a perfect scenario, you can steal your opponent's item! It won't do much damage, but with Knock Off distribution being at an all time low, this does give you a way to rid a bulky wall of its passive recovery with Leftovers, or a fast offensive Mon its Life Orb. Just be careful to not Thief a Choice item!
Pawmot does have a good offensive presence too, but I like its Utility and Support more, and see no one talk about it! The fact it can revive potentially two of your team members is Game-Changing! Both of my teams utilizing Bulky Support Pawmot have gone very well for me, probably better then I've done in any other Generation!
Since this is my first post, forgive me if I get a few things off, but if you read this far, I hope you enjoyed, and maybe give Pawmot a shot! I'd love to see this Mon become an OU staple!
Here's what I normally run for my set:
Pawmot @Leppa Berry
Jolly
Volt Absorb/Natural Cure
Tear Type: Fairy or Water
252 HP/ 4 Def/ 252 Spd
-Nuzzle
-Encore
-Protect
-Revival Blessing
You can switch around with Encore and Protect with the other options I mentioned, but keeping Nuzzle and Revival Blessing is pretty much mandatory.
I truly hope you give this Lil' Fella a try! They're a very fun Mon!
I don't see enough people talk about Pawmot enough, especially its support capabilities. Obviously, Revival Blessing is the key point for Pawmot in any set, but the Mon does pack a few other good support options as well!
Nuzzle first comes to mind. Easy Paralysis spread and some free damage on top of it.
Fake Out, another more straightforward option. But there's more layers to this mouse then you'd expect!
It gets Protect and Substitute, of course, which is pretty standard, but deserve mentions.
It also get Encore, which, combined with Protect, can potentially help you scout out for whether the opponent will try to set up, or hit immediately, allowing for a safe Revival Blessing, or forcing a switch, really, several interactions. Encore is normally always good.
Wish deservers a mention, even though I couldn't find much use for it on the Bulky Support Pawmot set I came up with.
Sweet Kiss? Personally I don't care for a base 75% accuracy option that can just miss in crucial situations. This move radiates alot of "Focus Blast Energy", but if it does hit, could lead to a switch out, which, in most cases, put you in an advantage. But I don't have much experience with it.
Finally, Thief! Thief is a rather gimmicky option, but think about it like this. You burned your Leppa Berry, and now you have no item. In a perfect scenario, you can steal your opponent's item! It won't do much damage, but with Knock Off distribution being at an all time low, this does give you a way to rid a bulky wall of its passive recovery with Leftovers, or a fast offensive Mon its Life Orb. Just be careful to not Thief a Choice item!
Pawmot does have a good offensive presence too, but I like its Utility and Support more, and see no one talk about it! The fact it can revive potentially two of your team members is Game-Changing! Both of my teams utilizing Bulky Support Pawmot have gone very well for me, probably better then I've done in any other Generation!
Since this is my first post, forgive me if I get a few things off, but if you read this far, I hope you enjoyed, and maybe give Pawmot a shot! I'd love to see this Mon become an OU staple!
Here's what I normally run for my set:
Pawmot @Leppa Berry
Jolly
Volt Absorb/Natural Cure
Tear Type: Fairy or Water
252 HP/ 4 Def/ 252 Spd
-Nuzzle
-Encore
-Protect
-Revival Blessing
You can switch around with Encore and Protect with the other options I mentioned, but keeping Nuzzle and Revival Blessing is pretty much mandatory.
I truly hope you give this Lil' Fella a try! They're a very fun Mon!
Pawmot is pretty cool, and it’s nice to see some experimentation with it! Any thoughts on volt switch? Pivoting with base 115 speed seems like it would be pretty good, considering that barely any good electric types exist at the momentBulky Support Pawmot is the future!
I don't see enough people talk about Pawmot enough, especially its support capabilities. Obviously, Revival Blessing is the key point for Pawmot in any set, but the Mon does pack a few other good support options as well!
Nuzzle first comes to mind. Easy Paralysis spread and some free damage on top of it.
Fake Out, another more straightforward option. But there's more layers to this mouse then you'd expect!
It gets Protect and Substitute, of course, which is pretty standard, but deserve mentions.
It also get Encore, which, combined with Protect, can potentially help you scout out for whether the opponent will try to set up, or hit immediately, allowing for a safe Revival Blessing, or forcing a switch, really, several interactions. Encore is normally always good.
Wish deservers a mention, even though I couldn't find much use for it on the Bulky Support Pawmot set I came up with.
Sweet Kiss? Personally I don't care for a base 75% accuracy option that can just miss in crucial situations. This move radiates alot of "Focus Blast Energy", but if it does hit, could lead to a switch out, which, in most cases, put you in an advantage. But I don't have much experience with it.
Finally, Thief! Thief is a rather gimmicky option, but think about it like this. You burned your Leppa Berry, and now you have no item. In a perfect scenario, you can steal your opponent's item! It won't do much damage, but with Knock Off distribution being at an all time low, this does give you a way to rid a bulky wall of its passive recovery with Leftovers, or a fast offensive Mon its Life Orb. Just be careful to not Thief a Choice item!
Pawmot does have a good offensive presence too, but I like its Utility and Support more, and see no one talk about it! The fact it can revive potentially two of your team members is Game-Changing! Both of my teams utilizing Bulky Support Pawmot have gone very well for me, probably better then I've done in any other Generation!
Since this is my first post, forgive me if I get a few things off, but if you read this far, I hope you enjoyed, and maybe give Pawmot a shot! I'd love to see this Mon become an OU staple!
Here's what I normally run for my set:
Pawmot @Leppa Berry
Jolly
Volt Absorb/Natural Cure
Tear Type: Fairy or Water
252 HP/ 4 Def/ 252 Spd
-Nuzzle
-Encore
-Protect
-Revival Blessing
You can switch around with Encore and Protect with the other options I mentioned, but keeping Nuzzle and Revival Blessing is pretty much mandatory.
I truly hope you give this Lil' Fella a try! They're a very fun Mon!
What combination of 3 moves are looking like they would provide the most value on a Court Change Cinderace in the current meta?
I am having a lot of trouble working out the 4MSS with it.
I am having a lot of trouble working out the 4MSS with it.
Cinderace @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Libero
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Pyro Ball
- High Jump Kick
- Court Change
- Gunk Shot/Zen Headbutt
I think this could be the most consistent set, right now if you look at OU, most things are either weak to fire/fighting or neutral, the things that cannot be broken by those 2 can be cripled by gunk shot, Zen also means you can lure tusk, Iron hands, iron moth, ape and pex, but gunk shot gives you a better shot against Valiant, Moon, Ting Lu, Volcarona and all the dragons
Ability: Libero
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Pyro Ball
- High Jump Kick
- Court Change
- Gunk Shot/Zen Headbutt
I think this could be the most consistent set, right now if you look at OU, most things are either weak to fire/fighting or neutral, the things that cannot be broken by those 2 can be cripled by gunk shot, Zen also means you can lure tusk, Iron hands, iron moth, ape and pex, but gunk shot gives you a better shot against Valiant, Moon, Ting Lu, Volcarona and all the dragons
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