But how is that different from Pex, or Clod, or Corv?
And honestly, while its attacking stats are pretty pathetic, it can still deal just enough to 1v1 a fair few threats like tusk & quaquaval
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And honestly, while its attacking stats are pretty pathetic, it can still deal just enough to 1v1 a fair few threats like tusk & quaquaval
Pex can toxic and set up t spikes
Clod can set up all hazards and toxic
Corv can defog, u turn for momentum, and can make effective use of body press
Scream tail def has a niche, but it’s a total disruptor, with basically 0 offensive capability.
feel like if u want smth w dual screens ur just running grimmsnarl thanks to priority, so despite getting wished it seems pretty outclassed. fwiw pex/clod get toxic and really good abilities + corv has uturn/defog and works as a chien-pao check.
hows cyclizar this is the set im using
cyclizar regenerator
jolly Heavy Duty Boots
252hp 252 speed 4 def
uturn
shedtail
knockoff
rapid spin
it seems redundant with uturn and shedtail however it proves very useful for pivoting and allowing it to recovery more times to abhse shedtail.
also is there ru forum?
I don't use cyclizar much but that set looks very standard. U-turn is useful to have if your HP is too low for shed tail, so its not all that redundant.
Also yes, they just made one.
Don't pay attention to them, MasterPlayer is the ultimate Glaceon fan, you won't see anybody that vouches so hard for the Iciest Eeveelution.
Glaceon is not viable in SV OU lol.
This is standard
dragon alge (Dragalge) @ Choice Specs
Ability: Adaptability
Tera Type: Dragon
EVs: 244 HP / 252 SpA / 12 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Draco Meteor
- Sludge Bomb
- Focus Blast
- Toxic/Thunderbolt
I've been having a lot of fun with this set. Dragalge is one of those pokemon where you can really just click tera dragon draco meteor and chunk resists for like 60-70. It's hilarious, it's awesome, and god is it funny when you stay in on the Calm Mind Espathra and deal 50 when they're at +1 and you're at -2. The only really relevant fairies are Iron Valiant and Hatterene, and neither of those want to take Sludge Bomb.
EVs are to outspeed Ting Lu, it's 1 base speed point so I felt I wasn't sacrificing much for this decently nice benchmark.
(252+ SpA Choice Specs Adaptability Tera Dragon Dragalge Draco Meteor over 2 turns vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Vessel of Ruin Ting-Lu: 403-477 (78.4 - 92.8%) -- 37.5% chance to 2HKO after 1 layer of Spikes and Leftovers recovery) for those curious, dragon alge is truly crazy lol)
Ability: Adaptability
Tera Type: Dragon
EVs: 244 HP / 252 SpA / 12 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Draco Meteor
- Sludge Bomb
- Focus Blast
- Toxic/Thunderbolt
I've been having a lot of fun with this set. Dragalge is one of those pokemon where you can really just click tera dragon draco meteor and chunk resists for like 60-70. It's hilarious, it's awesome, and god is it funny when you stay in on the Calm Mind Espathra and deal 50 when they're at +1 and you're at -2. The only really relevant fairies are Iron Valiant and Hatterene, and neither of those want to take Sludge Bomb.
EVs are to outspeed Ting Lu, it's 1 base speed point so I felt I wasn't sacrificing much for this decently nice benchmark.
(252+ SpA Choice Specs Adaptability Tera Dragon Dragalge Draco Meteor over 2 turns vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Vessel of Ruin Ting-Lu: 403-477 (78.4 - 92.8%) -- 37.5% chance to 2HKO after 1 layer of Spikes and Leftovers recovery) for those curious, dragon alge is truly crazy lol)
On that topic, I somehow managed to make Glaceon be a wannabe check to Corviknight, but it needs obligatory Snow support. With max Defense Evs and snow this thing has like 478 Defense, although I wonder how much it could hit with a positive nature. It even Iives neutral hits quite well too. The biggest surprise was to see this thing live Chien-Pao Sacred Sword under Snow during a match on ladder. But never bring it out against other special attackers, and especially not against Kingambit (because Glaceon will just never live STAB Iron Head at all)
STOP. DISCUSSING. GLACEON.
the funny snow cat? dog? whatever it is one person has managed to blacklist it and that is kind of impressive to me
What if you, wanted a safe, well organized board where healthy and productive discussion is made
But god says
+2 252+ SpA Choice Specs Glaceon Blizzard vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Amoonguss: 1584-1866 (429.2 - 505.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Okay but lets get to a warmer side, lets talk about sun
Torkoal @ Heat Rock
Ability: Drought
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 HP / 248 Def / 8 SpD
Bold Nature
- Lava Plume
- Rapid Spin
- Clear Smog
- Stealth Rock
Normally I like to use tera ground and earth power instead of rapid spin so i can have a better smack against things like Ape, Garga, clod and lots of other stuff, but i have been trying this new set which, is kinda fun, for overall defensive supportive porpuses, do you guys like to run something specfici on your torkoals?
But god says
+2 252+ SpA Choice Specs Glaceon Blizzard vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Amoonguss: 1584-1866 (429.2 - 505.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Okay but lets get to a warmer side, lets talk about sun
Torkoal @ Heat Rock
Ability: Drought
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 HP / 248 Def / 8 SpD
Bold Nature
- Lava Plume
- Rapid Spin
- Clear Smog
- Stealth Rock
Normally I like to use tera ground and earth power instead of rapid spin so i can have a better smack against things like Ape, Garga, clod and lots of other stuff, but i have been trying this new set which, is kinda fun, for overall defensive supportive porpuses, do you guys like to run something specfici on your torkoals?
Still an amateur asking maybe a dumb question.
If you're gonna run spin, wouldn't it be better to run boots? Relying on a Torkoal to spin means it'll take chip while holding a heat rock. Or do you pair it with another form of hazard removal? In that case, is it worth it to run spin over ep on Torkoal?
A lot of sun teams also run Great Tusk, a much more reliable spinner. Rapid Spin or Torkoal is good as a nice back up, but you definitely do want heat rock to maximize turns of sun. Any additional mileage you get out of it (removing hazards, yawning something, spreading burns) is just a nice plus!
I do share the feeling, however, Torkoal naturally deals with Gholdengo, since Ghold cant take a lava plume, therefore is a spinner not treaten by gholdengo, running spin on torkoal means your not running it on Great Tusk, meaning you could be running another move, this is where lures come in, Ice Spinner, Head Smash, Megahorn, Zen Headbutt, Stone Edge, Play Rough or even Facade are interesting moves to look at
alephgalactus
Banned deucer.
I would still run Spin on Tusk because it becomes pretty scary at +1 Speed and really scary if you can pull a second one off. Out of the moves you listed, I don’t really like running any on Great Tusk except maybe Ice Spinner. Head Smash is inaccurate and self-inflicted damage moves aren’t great in such a hazard-centric meta unless you’re running Boots; Megahorn doesn’t outdamage STAB on anything besides pre-Tera Espathra and the Slowtwins and is just too inaccurate in general; Zen Headbutt covers almost nothing that Ice Spinner doesn’t; Stone Edge is Stone Edge; Play Rough’s primary function is to miss exclusively on game-deciding turns; and Facade is a wasted moveslot when Tusk isn’t statused.
Honestly I would think it would have to be worth a look. With Gholdengo (absolutely ridiculous, hope this is suspected next) on the loose and Maushold falling out of the metagame Court Change would be a much more reliable hazard control than the others.
Baxcalibur dropping was kinda expected haha, he isnt that special or good when compared with other dragons in the tier.
This set has been pretty fun to use. It 1v1s lots of stuff.
Arcanine @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Flash Fire
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
- Flamethrower
- Play Rough
- Will-O-Wisp
- Morning Sun
Arcanine @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Flash Fire
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
- Flamethrower
- Play Rough
- Will-O-Wisp
- Morning Sun
U could arguably use Specs/LO glaceon in a trick room team. But yeah. Glaceon isnt really what i would call viable.
Honestly this isn't really bad, aside from it absorbing Chi-Yus Fire moves any other notable benefits to this?This set has been pretty fun to use. It 1v1s lots of stuff.
Arcanine @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Flash Fire
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
- Flamethrower
- Play Rough
- Will-O-Wisp
- Morning Sun
This is more of a set I've been seeing in the mid to upper ladder:
Arcanine @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Intimidate
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 HP / 236 Def / 20 Spe
Impish Nature
- Flare Blitz
- Will-O-Wisp
- Morning Sun
- Roar
Kinda does the same job as Tauros Paldea-Fire but I think Tauros does it better (slightly by a close margin) because of Raging Bull.
I like to run a offensive Cyclizar either being Choice Band or Life Orb
Cyclizar @ Choice Band
Ability: Regenerator
Tera Type: Dark
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Rapid Spin / Double-Edge
- U-turn
- Dragon Claw
- Knock Off
This is a Choice Specs variant:
Cyclizar @ Choice Specs
Ability: Regenerator
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Hyper Voice
- Draco Meteor
- Thunderbolt
- Overheat
Cyclizar @ Choice Band
Ability: Regenerator
Tera Type: Dark
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Rapid Spin / Double-Edge
- U-turn
- Dragon Claw
- Knock Off
This is a Choice Specs variant:
Cyclizar @ Choice Specs
Ability: Regenerator
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Hyper Voice
- Draco Meteor
- Thunderbolt
- Overheat
I do not think you can justify Cyclizar without Shed Tail; other offensive Pokemon outclass it by a good margin.
I'm willing to say offensive Cyclizar could work as a 3A + Shed Tail idea. Cyclizar by nature encourages using aggressive opposing Pokemon to minimize momentum advantage generated by Shed Tail, and offensive mons usually don't have the greatest bulk such that high power, even coming off Cyc's mediocre offenses, can still leave damage with some amount of progress if not lure in and remove them to help the teammate sweep later (Sub or not by then).
Unless passing to something particularly hard to break like a Multiscale Dragonite, bulky Kingambit, or maybe Iron Hands (the latter two on the Physical side), 70 HP vs 85 HP on the Sub probably won't decide the game by buying an extra turn anyway, so the HP EVs might do more work on the rare occasion that Cyclizar clicks to hit something instead of shedding another tail
That said hard agree with Finch's point above that if not using Shed Tail in some form, Cyclizar isn't the mon you want for optimal performance.
Unless passing to something particularly hard to break like a Multiscale Dragonite, bulky Kingambit, or maybe Iron Hands (the latter two on the Physical side), 70 HP vs 85 HP on the Sub probably won't decide the game by buying an extra turn anyway, so the HP EVs might do more work on the rare occasion that Cyclizar clicks to hit something instead of shedding another tail
That said hard agree with Finch's point above that if not using Shed Tail in some form, Cyclizar isn't the mon you want for optimal performance.
At what point do we just let the Glaceon joke die and/or take more direct action against users who aren't taking the hint (unless such has occurred in which case I apologize for assuming, just hard to be sure when I'm mostly in threads)? The Glaceon talk obviously ran its course both for any iota of serious consideration and the ironic propping up, but after being black listed and continuing to see it occupy posts from one or more users, I'm not sure the message is getting across to the degree it should be for the serious posters.
I use max hp max speed Shed tail knock off rapid spin draco meteor cyclizar, imo its the best you can run
Yeah this is what I've been running too, draco doesn't see much use but it's made the difference in some matches
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