Why not just use a CB Scyther and U-turn to Dugtrio. that does a good amount of damage, traps Wobbafett who kills with CBand Eq.
Why not just use a CB Scyther and U-turn to Dugtrio. that does a good amount of damage, traps Wobbafett who kills with CBand Eq.
A PHazer that can ResTalk effectively might work. I use Hariyama for such a purpose. Still, I can see how that'd be a problem...Only had one or two battles against wobbuffet and it didn't do much in those battles. But I have seen the infamous wobb encore -> sub/spore/belly drum smeargle -> lucario. Very deadly and I haven't figured out a way to counter this set up unless I pack two phazers.
Only had one or two battles against wobbuffet and it didn't do much in those battles. But I have seen the infamous wobb encore -> sub/spore/belly drum smeargle -> lucario. Very deadly and I haven't figured out a way to counter this set up unless I pack two phazers.
Just use a fast Encorer of your own such as Jumpluff or Infernape and use the combination Protect/Encore. Protect when you're up against Smeargle (only use if you don't have something asleep already), Encore the move it uses, then it can't Baton Pass.
That or just use Breloom w/Mach Punch.
Too freaking specific, what kind of good players ever use a damn Breloom with Mach Punch, it has better things to do. Same goes for Jumpluff and Infernape.
Wobbuffet appears that the only thing it has going for it is Encore. If we banned Encore on it, it'd be much more balanced. It'd be like Dugtrio with a different pay-off (that traps anything)
Dragontamer, seriously, calm down. There was a lot of discussion on the matter on the server, and my post described the results of me testing it. We would have done another tournament had the last one not had such horrible attendance and been written off by everyone who didn't want Deoxys-e in standard anyway. This was really the only way anything was ever going to get done in reversing the very questionable ban on Wobbuffet.
Wobbuffet appears that the only thing it has going for it is Encore. If we banned Encore on it, it'd be much more balanced. It'd be like Dugtrio with a different pay-off (that traps anything)
And good god, if we start messing around with DT... thats the day I quit Pokemon. I get so pissed with the random bull shit this game does, DT takes that to a whole new level. I've come within inches of snapping my DS into pieces during the Battle Tower.
Then they should set up another server and test there. As a matter of principle, this test does not belong on the main ladder.Really though, if it's not done on the ladder, then there's not going to be good enough results about the testing.
I wasn't in the DX-S tourney, but it seemed like a nightmare for the people hosting it, seriously. I heard that there were people not getting their matches done and that it took a god-awful long time to complete. I'm surprised it didn't just die in the middle of it. You can't seriously expect these people to do another tourney for another uber to test it after that, can you? It really didn't seem like the DX-S tourney solved anything at all, because there was like 13 people who posted in the discussion topic, and very few of them actually faced DX-S enough.
A tournament has serious flaws, seriously. I have a feeling that DX-S was put on the ladder for testing and not unbanned right away, not because it seemed like the "next phase", but because the tournament didn't test a damn thing, and was therefore inconclusive.
Why waste time having a tournament that isn't going to help anything except the killing of time, when you can just take the pokemon in question straight to the place where it will see the most competitive use? This way, it won't take 2 months or so to do, like a tourney, but a maximum of a month, just to get some raw data.
While I feel Wobbuffet is still uber, that is another subject which will admittedly be solved by this test phase. The primary reason why I'm pissed however is how (and more specifically, where) this test is being conducted more than Wobbuffet itself.Dragontamer, c'mon, for someone who used to be #1 on the ladder, you're certainly not taking this test very well. If you want Wobbuffet to stay uber, then just go and beat everyone with it if it's so good. If you're just implying that Wobbuffet itself makes the game a joke, well then, that's too bad.
I'd say by then it is too late. The fact of the matter is, a potential Uber is on the Shoddy ladder right now with little to no preliminary tests done on it. I don't need to look into the potential future to see whats wrong with the present.What're you going to say about the ladder if it turns out that Wobbuffet is permanently allowed in the end, and no more ubers are being tested in the ladder? Will you still be calling it a testing ground for ubers, or just a joke, or something else to that effect? Be honest, I'm curious.
I'd assume Lati@s actually, considering some of Jumpman's recent posts.Clear, Ho-oh probably is next...Just not for testing on the ladder, since Colin said that Wobbuffet is going to be the last uber tested on the ladder.
And good god, if we start messing around with DT... thats the day I quit Pokemon. I get so pissed with the random bull shit this game does, DT takes that to a whole new level. I've come within inches of snapping my DS into pieces during the Battle Tower.
Dragontamer said:I'd assume Lati@s actually, considering some of Jumpman's recent posts.
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