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Finch ma man, try Grass Knot, you're gonna love itI've been using Specs with STABs, Beam, and Spikes!
Finch ma man, try Grass Knot, you're gonna love itI've been using Specs with STABs, Beam, and Spikes!
imagine using memento instead of eject pack make it rain, smh my headHave you guys ever tried Dual Screens Gholdengo with Memento? Apparently it's very used, I didn't get the news tho.
I've seen it before over Grimmsnarl, I see it working but I like Prankster so it's just a good suprise set.Have you guys ever tried Dual Screens Gholdengo with Memento? Apparently it's very used, I didn't get the news tho.
I've been enjoying Gren quite a bit. Specs 4 attacks is what I'm mostly using, and it's on the team I was using to climb for reqs. Good mon, 8/10.What are y'all thoughts on Greninja this gen? I know he got the nerf, competition with the other protean users and got more bulky threats but I feel he's still quite good, especially under rain with specs/LO.
Greninja doesn't wholely compete with Ace and Meow as the former is more a utility/offensive pivot and Meow is a physical breaker. Greninja fills its own niche and is a special breaker and one of our last remaining options for special water offense.What are y'all thoughts on Greninja this gen? I know he got the nerf, competition with the other protean users and got more bulky threats but I feel he's still quite good, especially under rain with specs/LO.
Uh, I can't tell if you're trolling, but didn't the Espathra just sweep if it didn't get crit? Here is the replay for those that haven't seen it. On turn 12, the Tera Fairy Espathra gets crit but a Tera Ghost, presumably Specs Shadow Ball from Pult. We don't know the full spreads, but even if the Espathra is just max HP, no SpDef, here's the calc:Looks like another espathra drops to dragapult tera ghost in the first SPL for this week. :)
You'd be correct, but I wouldn't bother arguing with them since they haven't really been engaging in constructive discussions regarding Espathra's brokenness (arguably trolling).Uh, I can't tell if you're trolling, but didn't the Espathra just sweep if it didn't get crit? Here is the replay for those that haven't seen it. On turn 12, the Tera Fairy Espathra gets crit but a Tera Ghost, presumably Specs Shadow Ball from Pult. We don't know the full spreads, but even if the Espathra is just max HP, no SpDef, here's the calc:
that particular user has been wrong 100% of the time about the brokenness of various things and has been engaging in bad-faith arguments since day 1. if they say something isn't broken, you can be sure that it is. i can't tell if they're trolling, but that's honestly the more charitable interpretation in this caseYou'd be correct, but I wouldn't bother arguing with them since they haven't really been engaging in constructive discussions regarding Espathra's brokenness (arguably trolling).
What are you talking about? Georgie said those mons aren't broken though, so there's no way they are!this particular user has been wrong 100% of the time about the brokenness of various things. if they say something isn't broken, you can be sure that it is. i can't tell if they're trolling, but that's honestly the more charitable interpretation in this case
well i am a womanOU council not man enough to quickban Espathra.
I haven’t seen around in a while but this post looks quite tame. Appreciate you being nicer this time around.that particular user has been wrong 100% of the time about the brokenness of various things and has been engaging in bad-faith arguments since day 1. if they say something isn't broken, you can be sure that it is. i can't tell if they're trolling, but that's honestly the more charitable interpretation in this case
you mean you don't know about the big machine finch keeps in his basement that generates hardcore competitive pokemon players? it can even customize stuff like how much grass they touch (default: 4 blades per year) and how good their rng is (default: close to perfect, but only against you in particular)"Hardcore" / "serious" / (preferred adjective here) players do not emerge fully-formed from the depths of the internet, stepping out into the ranks of the 1800 ELO player base.
But you can use UU and UUBL mons in OU anyways? There are legitimately decent mons from UU and below in OUdoes anyone know any cores that include breloom?
I want to use this pokemon as much as possible before it ends up in UU or UUBL.
Garg and Pao are not banned yet and even if they are gone i feel like breloom is still really good! It is also not explored to its fullest potential yet. So just use it! :)I want to use it to the fullest now that I still can so I will not be regreting it when it will be barely functional in OU later this generation.
it already received 2 indirect nerfs when cyclizar and chi-yu got banned and it may receive 2 more in the future when garganacl and chie-pao go to ubers.
I see what you're saying, but there is a degree of rigor we should expect from people who engage in these topics. Many people play competitive mons at varying degrees of engagement and still only contribute to these threads when they have something to say and have considered as much as they can whether they're repeating old arguments etc.It's a bit of a side tangent, but in regards to all the players who dismiss the importance of the casual player base like they would something unpleasant on their shoe:
No, tiering decisions should not be dictated by casual players, who are neither informed nor invested enough to be making those calls.
But what's even worse is actively disparaging them, and actively refusing to consider their opinions. "Hardcore" / "serious" / (preferred adjective here) players do not emerge fully-formed from the depths of the internet, stepping out into the ranks of the 1800 ELO player base. They develop from either cartridge play or casual online play, enjoy themselves enough to get hooked, and stay with the game. One of the few constants in gaming is that failing to acknowledge the importance of 'new' players leads to stagnation at best, and a slow death at worst.
Agree wholeheartedly.The OU Council is doing a remarkably good job this generation of soliciting their opinions and making sure that casual players have their chance to provide feedback, without letting that dictate their choices. Demanding fast, unilateral action for everything runs contrary to the long-term health of the metagame.
Breloom realistically only works ""well"" against a team with no resists to Spore. It's the fastest Spore user in the game, and outside of that it is too frail and too slow to really do much. It loses to Chien-Pao Ice Shard of all things lmao. It actually loses to a lot of things, come to think of it.I know that breloom will not become useless after they get banned but it will become less good and there is no saying that there will not be more bans later on or new checks and counters to breloom.
it went from being a "mach punch goes brrr" pokemon to a pokemon that requires some thinking and I am afraid of the scenario where it will be one "overly specific pokemon".
anyway, you people know or don't know any cores with it?
Breloom has never been a "mach punch go brr" pokemon. It has always required some thinking to use, but that doesn't detract from it being good. And the possible ban of Pao doesn't change that.I know that breloom will not become useless after they get banned but it will become less good and there is no saying that there will not be more bans later on or new checks and counters to breloom.
it went from being a "mach punch goes brrr" pokemon to a pokemon that requires some thinking and I am afraid of the scenario where it will be one "overly specific pokemon".
anyway, you people know or don't know any cores with it?
There are two good resists to Breloom's spore, being Amoonguss and Gholdengo, and Loom is far from helpless against the former. Saying that outside of its fast spore it's too frail to really do much is really down playing how strong it is, and can be, because the potency of its own offense in conjunction with spore can be quite tough to dance around when its in. Yes Pao's ice shard can beat Loom, but generally speaking shard is found most often on band sets (at least from my experience), meaning a choice locked Pao is chased out by Loom (and unless banded, ice shard won't KO a healthy Breloom).Breloom realistically only works ""well"" against a team with no resists to Spore. It's the fastest Spore user in the game, and outside of that it is too frail and too slow to really do much. It loses to Chien-Pao Ice Shard of all things lmao. It actually loses to a lot of things, come to think of it.
Pao can kill it with shard and Garganacl can switch in on spore and tera + ID on it (unless its tera type is water) so I wouldn't call those its best matchups.I want to use it to the fullest now that I still can so I will not be regreting it when it will be barely functional in OU later this generation.
it already received 2 indirect nerfs when cyclizar and chi-yu got banned and it may receive 2 more in the future when garganacl and chien-pao go to ubers.