Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion

[1LDK]

Inteleon's actually pretty big in Japan-it got it's own merch line and one of those massive plushies, even.
Also Chesnaught is legitimately bottom 3 starters popularity wise, down there with Emboar and Meganium-to the point where it craters Chespin's popularity along with it (though its not like Quilladin had much of a chance on its own either way). On the POTY poll, Inteleon got 10th for Galar, whereas not a single member of the Chesnaught line managed to get Top 30 for Kalos.

This is why we need to spam chesnaught together, Gamefreak literally complots against it, to the point where it's getting buried

On the topic of trapping moves, I have this RMT here that was about trapping pex and garga, and honestly, its a side thing, its cool when you can get it going, but it's hard, it's harder on pex than garga, garganacl is super broken lmao, to the point where I finish games when the opponent still has 4 mons left, this is stupid

But yeah, my verdict is that they are something cool, not fully reliable but fun

 

[awyp]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1650276133483446272

A big change in the meta OU

I think it could be viable in OU, good speed tier 372 max and some solid special attack, with a couple of priority moves. I feel like the Choice Specs + U Turn set could be fun to play around with especially playing around with different teras or just doubling down on Water

 

[pika pal]

On the POTY poll, Inteleon got 10th for Galar, whereas not a single member of the Chesnaught line managed to get Top 30 for Kalos.

Personally I blame this on Galar's roster being junk in terms of design moreso than Inteleon being particularly good, but I guess I'm also a strictly USA-based perspective on the design.

I'd unironically have preferred to see Chesnaught here though. Obligatory shilling joke aside, it has more to offer the Metagame than any 7* Raid we've had since Greninja, by virtue of actually being able to... check things (actual notes being Tusk and non-Tera'd Kingambit simultaneously, which is already decent compression).

I think it could be viable in OU, good speed tier 372 max and some solid special attack, with a couple of priority moves. I feel like the Choice Specs + U Turn set could be fun to play around with especially playing around with different teras or just doubling down on Water

Aren't Inteleon's Priority moves all Physical off a Base 85? The Special and Speed are pretty reasonable but they fall short of our other speed demons who tend to have better coverage (most immediate competition it could offer is to Greninja, who people are regarding as on a decline right now).

 

[gtuskoutplayed]

All that's missing is Chesnaught, Delphox and above all Rillaboom.

rillaboom relied on grassy glide, that was the sole reason it was used for the stab powerful priority, so maybe rillaboom stays in ou but I could see it dropping to uu if it's unreliable against tusk

 

[gtuskoutplayed]

They are literally avoiding the Starters with defensive value like Chesnaught or even Delphox

chesnaught gonna be the new ferro in town with dat spiky shield, the best urshifu-r hard check that clobbers tusk and dondozo(also garg but less reliable due to tera fairy existing)
game freak is scared of chesnaught because it's a better ferro(I'm biased) and people hate ferro

 

[Eeveeto]

chesnaught gonna be the new ferro in town with dat spiky shield, the best urshifu-r hard check that clobbers tusk and dondozo(also garg but less reliable due to tera fairy existing)
game freak is scared of chesnaught because it's a better ferro(I'm biased) and people hate ferro

It's not a better Ferro, but probably has more usage than it in my ORAS teams. Looking really forward to have this Mon back, almost on par with Alolan Muk.

 

[Mega Breloom]

Bulletproof also sounds like a good thing on paper since it stops choice looked Shadow ball, the only issue is that doesn't do much back to Pult and Gholdengo, while they can run a lot of different sets.

 

[gtuskoutplayed]

It's not a better Ferro, but probably has more usage than it in my ORAS teams. Looking really forward to have this Mon back, almost on par with Alolan Muk.

again, I'm biased

 

[gtuskoutplayed]

Bulletproof also sounds like a good thing on paper since it stops choice looked Shadow ball, the only issue is that doesn't do much back to Pult and Gholdengo, while they can run a lot of different sets.

physical dragon darts on d-pult hates spiky shield i think(is d-darts a contact move?)

 

[Eeveeto]

physical dragon darts on d-pult hates spiky shield i think(is d-darts a contact move?)

It's not unfortunately. Still, Specs Pult gonna predict now (though the ugly lizard and the useless dead hater already contribute to that).

 

[1LDK]

physical dragon darts on d-pult hates spiky shield i think(is d-darts a contact move?)

its not, glave rush is contact tho
https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Contact
heres the full list of contact moves

 

[Just_Aaron]

While I love the idea of Chesnaught having a solid niche on the tier, wouldn't he suffer from some heavy 4MSS? Spiky Shield, Body Press, Wood Hammer, Spikes, Leech Seed, Synthesis, Earthquake, Crunch even and still missing some useful moves.

 

[gtuskoutplayed]

also I realized how good da amigo flamigo is against the top threats in this meta

 

[gtuskoutplayed]

While I love the idea of Chesnaught having a solid niche on the tier, wouldn't he suffer from some heavy 4MSS? Spiky Shield, Body Press, Wood Hammer, Spikes, Leech Seed, Synthesis, Earthquake, Crunch even and still missing some useful moves.

it depends on the role you want chesnaught to fufill. I could see defensive spikes with spikes, leech seed, wood hammer and eq(for glimmora), but then meow hard walls it. So maybe it would prefer body press over leech seed for lead meow, but then it lacks recovery to beat threats later like kingambit, curse garg, choice locked valiant(not moonblast), dragapult, and gholdengo.

 

[1LDK]

While I love the idea of Chesnaught having a solid niche on the tier, wouldn't he suffer from some heavy 4MSS? Spiky Shield, Body Press, Wood Hammer, Spikes, Leech Seed, Synthesis, Earthquake, Crunch even and still missing some useful moves.

Of course, but then again, it's pretty customizable overall (the theorymon i did some weeks ago)

Chesnaught @ Rocky Helmet / Leftovers
Ability: Bulletproof
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 HP / 228 Def / 28 Spe
Impish Nature
- Spikes
- Drain Punch
- Wood Hammer
- Synthesis/Taunt/Leech seed/Spiky Shield

I think this is the set if you wanna go for a spikes setter, if you want a wall, take off spikes and get another move, Synthesis is sun related but could be cool for wheatherless, taunt is for stall fucking, even without Spiky Shield, it checks a lot of physical attackers, but its cool. I know it gets hard walled by corv, but then again, you could taunt it on the switch

Chesnaught @ Leftovers
Ability: Bulletproof
Tera Type: Steel/Ghost
EVs: 252 HP / 228 SpD / 28 Spe
Careful Nature
- Bulk Up/Curse/Iron Defense
- Body Press/Drain Punch
- Synthesis/Taunt
- Earthquake/Wood Hammer

And this is the Body press or drain punch attacker

Like I said, it has some 4MSS, but it's manageable somewhat, your team can help you with sweeping, or you can help your team with pressure

 

[gtuskoutplayed]

Of course, but then again, it's pretty customizable overall

Chesnaught @ Rocky Helmet / Leftovers
Ability: Bulletproof
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 HP / 228 Def / 28 Spe
Impish Nature
- Spikes
- Drain Punch
- Wood Hammer
- Synthesis/Taunt/Leech seed/Spiky Shield

I think this is the set if you wanna go for a spikes setter, if you want a wall, take off spikes and get another move, Synthesis is sun related but could be cool for wheatherless, taunt is for stall fucking, even without Spiky Shield, it checks a lot of physical attackers, but its cool. I know it gets hard walled by corv, but then again, you could taunt it on the switch

Chesnaught @ Leftovers
Ability: Bulletproof
Tera Type: Steel/Ghost
EVs: 252 HP / 228 SpD / 28 Spe
Careful Nature
- Bulk Up/Curse/Iron Defense
- Body Press/Drain Punch
- Synthesis/Taunt
- Earthquake/Wood Hammer

And this is the Body press or drain punch attacker

Like I said, it has some 4MSS, but it's manageable somewhat, your team can help you with sweeping, or you can help your team with pressure

good partners are torkoal, skeledirge for a tank core, and garg as corviknight runs for it's life when it sees garg on the field

 

[1LDK]

good partners are torkoal, skeledirge for a tank core, and garg as corviknight runs for it's life when it sees garg on the field

Chesnaught also loves gholdengo handling corv, in return, chesnaugh handles kingambit and tusk

 

[gtuskoutplayed]

sample team could be chesnaught, gholdengo, cinder/tusk/bike without tail/corviknight(unreliable defogger with gholdengo resurgence), gambit/other setup sweeper, valiant/d-pult/dnite, and garg/skeledirge as bulky BO/hyper offense with tank core

 

[cosmogii]

i swear the more i read of this meta the more it feels like we're living in a simulation, i'm STILL not used to it
a donphan form is top of the metagame
blissey and chansey got their kneecaps broken
chesnaught might be actually viable and worthwile to use in ou
a delibird and misdreavus form got banned from ou
weavile is dead

what world are we living in

 

[InvisibleWater]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1650276133483446272

A big change in the meta OU

I just checked, and apparently it gets Taunt now.

It's not much, but it's something, I guess.

 

[Eeveeto]

I just checked, and apparently it gets Taunt now.

It's not much, but it's something, I guess.

Fuck Taunt, first Move I would Dexit (along with Draining Kiss) forever. That being said, it learns both Screens too and U-Turn. And its the fastest legal Mon that learns all 4 Moves. Tiny nich over Grimm, but Grimm has Parting Shot blocked by Darks and Gholdengo, U-Turn is not.

 

[awyp]

4 weaknesses vs 6, more resistances too. Higher bulk, especially on special side, reminds me of ORAS Drill. Immune to Toxic, so can switch into the rising Pex for free (Surf does 0). Actually consistent vs no Focus Blast Gholdengo. Steel typing is rare too, while there are many common fight Mons like Breloom, Slither Wing, Pawmot, Tauros and Iron Hands. The Mons I would be using Tusk to check are easily checked by other Mons, therefore if I use Tusk, it's for the offensive potential, while Threads is a better supporter. There are more reasons, but the main one is Threads being more comfy for me to fit into teams than Tusk, which actually requires brain to build with.

Do you still feel the same way about Treads > Tusk?

 

[Eeveeto]

Do you still feel the same way about Treads > Tusk?

Not anymore, since Chien Paos Ban. Nowadays I use Tusk in like 95% of my teams, before the cat's Ban it was close to 0. There is only one good Tusk set for me, but that one set is really good and makes amazing contribution in every game.

 

[Mega Breloom]

Not anymore, since Chien Paos Ban. Nowadays I use Tusk in like 95% of my teams, before the cat's Ban it was close to 0. There is only one good Tusk set for me, but that one set is really good and makes amazing contribution in every game.

Bulk up + body press>>>>>>>>>>>>knock off Tusk.

 

[Eeveeto]

Bulk up + body press>>>>>>>>>>>>knock off Tusk.

Match-up reliant, I don,t buy that.



Mega Donphan (Great Tusk) @ Leftovers
Ability: Protosynthesis
Tera Type: Dark / lots of other types
EVs: 232 Atk / 24 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Headlong Rush
- Close Combat
- Knock Off
- Rapid Spin

This is the one and only good Tusk set. Item may vary and Tera type too, but Moves and EV Spread is 100% needed always. It will do SOMETHING in 99% of the battles (only real bad match-up is Flame Body Talonflame + Alomomola core and even then, Tera Fire is viable).