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NOC eli loves matrices game thread [Game Over, Town Win!]
- Thread starter Nuxl
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celever liking every post that scumread me to fuel his tunnel on me with serotonin
it's so funny cause that game laurel started to switch around on me because I wasnt buying into his pocketing and just letting him glide by for no reason
theres a post he makes where I call him out on something and hes like "wtf why are you scumreading me I'm one of the only people who townread you" as if reads are transactional
townread for townread anyone?
that's all to say that his omgus at me this game fits pretty well with how he plays as scum
I'm ngl I have no idea probably somewhere in the second half of d1s 100+ pages
I can probably find it if I remember when I get home
Oh I haven't actually done a reads list today, I'm not focussing on the game all that much today.
Considering we got mafcaff out this game is a little solvier than reads-based than would to be expected. However:
Town
- Like actually just AG. Chosen by the mafia team to be the safe misvote yesterday, was central to Caff being voted out (if AG doesn't vote Caff at EoD, I don't either). AG is straight town and the fact that D2 some people have been cagey about townreading them kinda only confirms this further.
Town Lean
- In a solvey way, Vizh is a town lean because they were active during the period after which Caff started panicking, and before I voted. There were a good 10 mins or so where Vizh and I were both posting a lot where the vote was 4-4, and there is absolutely no reason to believe mafia!Vizh wouldn't have quickly voted OM in that period, as he eventually did anyway once the vote was decided. In an unsolvey way, Vizh is also just quite contributory.
- M24 is in a good spot. Contributed significantly D1, (in his words accidentally) was key in voting out Caff. I don't agree with some of the positions and reads they've taken on the game, but I think it's only reasonable to have them at town lean currently.
Could go either way
- realiti is either town, or arrived at EoD after AG (and I) voted and so pretended to idle. It's entirely feasible they threw a random non-committal vote on Caff assuming it wouldn't pick up steam, and then M24 threw the vote there which made AG and I take a look at it. After AG votes for Caff, realiti does not have a reasonable out without drawing attention to himself, and arguably doesn't really have one from the point at which M24 takes one either. realiti was widely townread during D1 so bussing Caff is a reasonable action to make. OTOH, realiti could actually just be town who didn't arrive at EoD, they have been reasonably useful and solvey despite low postcount and effort.
- Salamence on paper should be fairly scummy, but is Actually Just Really Convincing. Displayed their arguments for their vote behaviour at EoD yesterday well, which are consistent with their reasonings today. I do wish they would participate in a wider scope on the game as a whole, as they haven't committed to platforms on most players, but like I kinda just believe them when they talk lol. Notably has anti-buddy synergy with Caff but Caff is a good enough player to fake that stuff.
- Schia is either wrong townie or made a really crazy gambit just to save Caff D1. I have spoken about this in one or two Big Wall Posts so if you backlog the thread slightly and look for giant posts with paragraph breaks and bears next to them you can find out more about my read here. Should never leave before Psy with respect to game theory, but is also not cleared by Psy's flip one way or the other.
- OM is just kinda like, "was it T/S wagons or S/S wagons" and that's the extent of it. I get good vibes from the 10 posts they have made but I'm not putting much stock into it. Will get solved through further gameplay.
Could legitimately just be maf
The likeliest organisation of players at EoD is one more maf on the OM wagon and one maf off of it. With respect to the Caff wagon, I would argue from most likely to be maf to least likely to be maf it's realiti -> M24 -> me/AG. This places a decent emphasis on those who were on neither wagon, which while including OM also includes:
- Laurel, didn't show up to deadline but kinda has done nothing particularly AI and this is pure optics.
- Hydro, didn't show up to deadline but kinda has done nothing particularly AI and this is pure optics.
Is anti-town
- Psy is either anti-town town, or anti-town mafia. At this stage I have stopped caring about the difference. Wagonomically they are the vote today, which I have detailed already.
to avoid looking suspicious? I think something to consider is what do you think caff wouldve told vizh to do in this situation
Likes are a sign of non-verbal agreement
how has realiti been useful because I completely disagree. he has openly not been trying to solve anything
Caff would have told Vizh to vote for OM during that period. Vizh has an easy asf out because the case was bad, and even when Vizh voted for OM they didn't accredit the case they accredited other (reasonably valid) assessments of the situation. Vizh probably catches some heat if Caff flips later, but there was no reason whatsoever to believe that Caff would be a D2 target, nor reason to believe that Vizh would be primarily accredited for the vote even as the deciding vote, because flashwagons follow different rules of analysis.
it's the sign of egging someone on to keep agreeing with you
okay if you say so mafia king
Caff posted enough NAI, and also townpinging and scumpinging content that Vizh being pro-Caff is a reasonable assessment of D1. I slightly scumpinged Caff more than I townpinged him, but the overall determinate of my vote was game theory and not reads-based. Players are allowed to be wrong.
This is a response of all time.
I will reply to Laurel after this and not yourself.
it just came to mind that in my experience with scum schia they tend to gravitate towards distancing from partners and scumreading them or bussing them so with that in mind I think it's unlikely for them to be paired with caff who was their "strongest townread"
break over bye
break over bye
HydrogenHydreigon Come back
Also Celever how do you feel about Laurel’s last few pages? Nothing indicative or of note?
Also Celever how do you feel about Laurel’s last few pages? Nothing indicative or of note?
well since you're a genius who can read caffs mind even though I recall you saying you've never played with scum caff before
okay lemme rephrase. I'm pretty sure you said you've never played with scum caff before celever so why are you so confident that he would tell vizh to protect him?
except me I guess
Because literally every player who has ever played mafia in their lives would tell their buddy who hasn't voted yet and is active at EoD when there is one other active player who could vote either way and decide the vote would tell them to do that.
I could also be talking about a dog who can howl only 4 words and it would be applicable.