NOC eli loves matrices game thread [Game Over, Town Win!]

Vizh said:
HydrogenHydreigon Come back

Also Celever how do you feel about Laurel’s last few pages? Nothing indicative or of note?
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I'm gonna read back on them some other time TBH, nothing gut vibed one way or the other for me. Truthfully Laurel is somebody who I actually just enjoy as a person, from playing Survivor with them and those types of interactions, and so I'm not sure I trust myself to read them in a mafia context. It's a slot I'd rather solve through game theory, and they haven't been particularly relevant to game theory yet.
 
vote realiti

sorry I'm bored of bussing my scum partner. I'm not really liking the way realitis investment in the game seems to be through the floor, it doesnt feel like realiti who absolutely tries to solve more than what weve seen so far. and honestly, in my experience scum realiti does more than this too but I've also seen that scum realiti will take opportunities to fade into the background when he can so his behavior definitely aligns with that whereas theres just nothing towny about how hes been acting. he makes excuses for not posting, contributes nothing, and what little he posts hes trying to focus peoples attention on only d1. why? what's happening on d2 that were not supposed to be looking at?

I feel like the way traction towards realitis push just doesn't exist indicates theres also shielding going on and that is not a good sign to me

my mind can be changed but I think we benefit from pressuring this slot today so we can actually get him to do something
 
Celever said:
Because literally every player who has ever played mafia in their lives would tell their buddy who hasn't voted yet and is active at EoD when there is one other active player who could vote either way and decide the vote would tell them to do that.
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this is a generalization and I dont think it's really true. you dont know this certainly enough that you can say for sure that that response from vizh is clearing him
 
Psypsypsypsypsythe said:
this is a generalization and I dont think it's really true. you dont know this certainly enough that you can say for sure that that response from vizh is clearing him
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I do know it certainly enough to say that it increases Vizh' towncred substantially. Did I clear him? Where? Point me to it. Quotes. Evidence. I put him in townlean ffs.

It is a significant point in his favour, and one that others have agreed with when pointed out before. Because it is Actually Just Correct. You're really grasping at straws and it only increases the optics that you are a flailing mafia who has realised they cannot endgame.
 
The gamestate D1 was not one where Vizh bussing Caff through inaction into voting for the wrong vote makes sense, from Vizh' or Caff's positioning. You can argue it was Vizh hardcore misplaying, you forget that Caff telling Vizh what to do doesn't mean Vizh immediately does it, which is why Vizh is a townlean. If Vizh didn't make a truly catastrophic misplay, then it is evidence that they are town.
 
here's a theory. caff doesnt feel the urgency to ask vizh to move for whatever reason and causing it to be too late and for him to die. the nk is left up to an inexperienced vizh and an inactive realiti who kill tbz for catching caff over other major players in the game. what about this is impossible?
 
Celever said:
I do know it certainly enough to say that it increases Vizh' towncred substantially. Did I clear him? Where? Point me to it. Quotes. Evidence. I put him in townlean ffs.

It is a significant point in his favour, and one that others have agreed with when pointed out before. Because it is Actually Just Correct. You're really grasping at straws and it only increases the optics that you are a flailing mafia who has realised they cannot endgame.
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you said it with certainty
 
Celever said:
Caff would have told Vizh to vote for OM during that period. Vizh has an easy asf out because the case was bad, and even when Vizh voted for OM they didn't accredit the case they accredited other (reasonably valid) assessments of the situation. Vizh probably catches some heat if Caff flips later, but there was no reason whatsoever to believe that Caff would be a D2 target, nor reason to believe that Vizh would be primarily accredited for the vote even as the deciding vote, because flashwagons follow different rules of analysis.
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"caff would have told vizh to do this" like it's a 100% rate of happening. it's not "i think caff would say this" or "caff would probably say this" you're saying it with certainty therefore clearing vizh off it
 
Psypsypsypsypsythe said:
"caff would have told vizh to do this" like it's a 100% rate of happening. it's not "i think caff would say this" or "caff would probably say this" you're saying it with certainty therefore clearing vizh off it
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I'm not clearing Vizh for shit. Caff telling Vizh to do something doesn't mean that Vizh does that thing. It is a 99.99% chance that Caff tells Vizh to vote for OM sooner rather than later. Vizh has every freedom to ignore him, misplay, or whatever else.

Game theory deals in absolutes and optimality. Players can choose to treat that with suspicion on a case-by-case basis. Game theory-wise, Vizh would be clear because that play Makes No Goddamn Sense. I am choosing to treat it with suspicion because it is absolutely feasible Vizh misplayed. That is clear in every single letter that is within this website's database in the last 30 minutes. How many more times do I need to say the same thing before it infiltrates your cranium.
 
it's so wild how you're dogging on me for being the one not helping town. you have no desire to cooperate with town at all. schia, m24, and aura all voice that they dont wanna vote me and you just bulldoze on ahead with your push racking up enough random voters of people who are barely playing the game who you domt even tow read. isnt it important to work with the town to find consensus? do you think what you're doing is helping?
 
Psypsypsypsypsythe said:
it's so wild how you're dogging on me for being the one not helping town. you have no desire to cooperate with town at all. schia, m24, and aura all voice that they dont wanna vote me and you just bulldoze on ahead with your push racking up enough random voters of people who are barely playing the game who you domt even tow read. isnt it important to work with the town to find consensus? do you think what you're doing is helping?
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TY for confirming Schia, M24 and Aura as town. This will be noted when you redflip.
 
I've actually been trying to bring people into thread like when people say random stuff I question it and press on it because I am trying to get people to voice their thoughts on the game. that's cooperating that's helpful and I only flood the thread because I have to defend myself from your constant harping on everything I do and throwing me under the bus to every person you speak to. its easier for you to walk away from the argument but I have more stake in this than you do cause I'm trying to prevent town from misflipping while you don't seem to care either way
 
Psy's appeal to emotion is etiher townie frustrated because they have played badly or mafia frustrated because they think they have played better than thread dynamics think is the case. It's all completely irrelevant.
 
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