NOC Smalltown Hotel Mafia - Game Thread (MAFIA WINS)

also i feel like it's wrong to say there's no AI content - you've made reads in matrices much sooner than this Celever so idk

like if you're slank cover whatever cos ur busy then ok but idk if that's particularly apparent

JALMONT said:
there actually is some urgency, because again, if the poisoner is mafia and kills someone the night after next, we won't be able to do anything about it because the game will be over. similar to dusk's role, if the dusk is mafia and swaps the mayor to himself, we can't do anything about it and lose the game.

Presumably people play mafia because they believe they can "read" people better than randomly guessing. I tend to disagree with that, even moreso on day 1. Given the setup is open, I think we put town in a better position by strategically voting one of the roles we all agree will hold us back. I'm not even saying rand it, I'm saying, let's "find a scum" from a group of about 5 people.

fwiw I have my "reads" too but I don't see any reason why I should put more faith into them than anyone else's "reads"
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yea i mean i dont mind voting someone who happens to also have a bad role but like if i townread say realiti im not gonna be inclined to vote him cos he's the poisoner, i just thinking picking a role from the top and killing them isnt gonna be the most productive (and hard to sift through for later days because theres going to be mafia who will want to keep one of their buddies/PRs alive). obv there will be agenda stuff in here but yea

i think read accuracy can be a real thing even if the game is rand, altho if you dont subscribe to that on d1 (i do think you can make good reads on d1 too, so i guess id disagree) then well thats fair

sorta related is that like a mentality change or smth since last u played tho i remember you did make earlygame reads and such asw
 
JALMONT said:
I think the psy vs dusk argument is probably the most important world to understand rn. After that please read my post on roles. Everything else is skippable. Happy to summarize the game for you if necessary


I don't think dusk was joking and I think it's unfair to penalize psy for that when his concern is much more valid. but i would concede there's a world in which a town player would see things like that IF they thought dusk was joking and psy truly was approaching it for an actual "policy because role exists" and not "policy because dusk said he's swapping all the roles regardless"
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Considering Psy launched on Tommy because he bothered to read Tommy's role after Tommy said he would use it, this distinction is incredibly blurry lol
 
in the same vein that poisoner is neg util i also think smth poisoner can be a controllable action LMAO

i do agree night actions being controlled is good tho j havent thought who would go where yet
 
Some role suggestions for tonight:

Fruit vendor: rand
poisoner: IDLE
redirector: idle seems like a waste - do we set up a scenario in which they get to choose between two (total 4) targets?
bus driver: see above.
tracker: RAND
motivator: ABSORBER or TRACKER or JAILKEEPER
kill delayer: RAND, but absorber is good too
jailkeeper: RAND - i don't like RAND because that will stop one of our roles but perhaps that's best way to maximize shot of stopping kill? alternatively could be on me to absorb, could go on twin to stop kill

What's the negative utility from having redirector and bus driver or both just do whatever? Do we lose anything there if they do so? Ideally we want to set up a 50/50 tomorrow. Getting me 1-shots of those abilities is really strong but it's bad if everyone targets me since I'll just be off'd or ML'd so...
 
Psypsypsypsypsythe said:
im not sure why that invalidates anything
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LS' overarching point was that by signing up to the game you were signing a contract that you would play in a game with Tommy's role. The fact that you didn't read the contract makes Jalmont's interpretation, that it was Tommy's specific behaviour that caused the fight, more difficult to put stock into. All Tommy's behaviour did was make you read the contract.
 
skip - yeah that's fair. dont have much to say in response other than "i perform badly on d1 consistently"

jalmont (673 just saw you post again) - i def see your arguments. i like your perspective more than psy, you're actually convincing/presenting the argument in an understandable/reasonable manner. im not super convinced that "we need to vote out XYZ role otherwise we lose the game if mafia rolled perfect roles" but i can see the logic there. i think that duskfall is town as a vibe currently and therefore im not inclined to vote him unless that's where town as a whole goes and currently it's too early for me to throw in with that wagon. my current only other genuine suspicion is on skip but as he's growing more active i'm becoming more comfortable with him and his posting. also, town players read town me as scum as a pattern and as a bad mafia player i only have patterns of previous games to go off of.
 
Nuxl said:
in the same vein that poisoner is neg util i also think smth poisoner can be a controllable action LMAO

i do agree night actions being controlled is good tho j havent thought who would go where yet
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The delay makes the poisoner pretty hard for town to effectively use. If it's used 6-3 and ML to 4-3, we lose even if we vote correctly if the poisoner is wrong. That's way too much risk for me to be comfortable with. And that's ignoring the fact that mafia poisoner can use the ability while lying about idling, unless we track..
 
Lady Salamence said:
skip - yeah that's fair. dont have much to say in response other than "i perform badly on d1 consistently"

jalmont (673 just saw you post again) - i def see your arguments. i like your perspective more than psy, you're actually convincing/presenting the argument in an understandable/reasonable manner. im not super convinced that "we need to vote out XYZ role otherwise we lose the game if mafia rolled perfect roles" but i can see the logic there. i think that duskfall is town as a vibe currently and therefore im not inclined to vote him unless that's where town as a whole goes and currently it's too early for me to throw in with that wagon. my current only other genuine suspicion is on skip but as he's growing more active i'm becoming more comfortable with him and his posting. also, town players read town me as scum as a pattern and as a bad mafia player i only have patterns of previous games to go off of.
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FTR I don't think you're a bad mafia player lol I got town vibes from you early last game, and was ready to lock that in before the uh, the redcheck
 
JALMONT said:
The delay makes the poisoner pretty hard for town to effectively use. If it's used 6-3 and ML to 4-3, we lose even if we vote correctly if the poisoner is wrong. That's way too much risk for me to be comfortable with. And that's ignoring the fact that mafia poisoner can use the ability while lying about idling, unless we track..
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i believe people are told/should be told if they are poisoned, so like it will be outed anyway
 
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