enjoy your gladiate
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NOC Smalltown Hotel Mafia - Game Thread (MAFIA WINS)
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enjoy your gladiate
you haven't explained why at all.
I've already talked about what roles are problems in the late game if they are mafia. In any kind of late game scenario with the mayor, you can simply use the role and give it to a teammate and end the game. If we don't hold you accountable, it's very easy for you to switch around roles that benefit the mafia team without necessarily exposing yourself.
I personally am more interested in playing risk-averse, which is why I'm voting you until you use your role.
Mafia!poisoner just kills whoever is town in the group that we decide on, which isn't alignment indicative. And then we lose a ML unless things go our way somewhere down the line.
I understand this train of thought, but is voting him right now at this moment necessary? I'd feel like delaying this to n2 could be more practical to try to get a scum vote off, I'd probably agree with you if he didn't use it d2 though
what do you want me to explain about how my pre rand pick has no effect on my alignment
every role can be a problem, as mafia, but they are good on town too, so if we try kill good roles we, by default on average, lose more good town roles than mafia, besides that we also just have nothing to actually read into late game because people just policy voted and mafia got free ml
it also means mafia have it very easy to push onto whatever "good" roles they want with little effort and they just wont out themselves you cant read into wagons properly so you basically help mafia by killing all good town roles, then maybe you flip onto a good scum role near end of game but you approach lylo with basiucally no valuable information because you tried to vote off people based on good roles, rather than actual player
you also kill all of towns goods roles which are more than a good trade off for mafia having 1 or 2 good roles
every role can be a problem, as mafia, but they are good on town too, so if we try kill good roles we, by default on average, lose more good town roles than mafia, besides that we also just have nothing to actually read into late game because people just policy voted and mafia got free ml
it also means mafia have it very easy to push onto whatever "good" roles they want with little effort and they just wont out themselves you cant read into wagons properly so you basically help mafia by killing all good town roles, then maybe you flip onto a good scum role near end of game but you approach lylo with basiucally no valuable information because you tried to vote off people based on good roles, rather than actual player
you also kill all of towns goods roles which are more than a good trade off for mafia having 1 or 2 good roles
this is just not true. see: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threa...s-at-23-00-gmt-1.3722193/page-24#post-9641417
some rolse are better than others. unless you think fruit vendor and gladiator are good town roles, then you should agree. i'm not saying to kill good roles. there's two specific good roles that are more problematic than the other good roles. the mayor is a game losing role in too many worlds. the bus driver is a game winning role in many town worlds and ineffective in mafia worlds. that's why i don't want to vote the bus driver.
no one else has really engaged with my line of thinking so your concern while valid isn't really applicable. other people are voting you because they think you are mafia (other than like skipper? or 1 other person i forget). i am not. Your point would make sense but I am the only person in this game who's taking this approach to the game.
psy celever probably j town
dont think jalmont posts like this as scum even if i disagree
not voting hal ls
realiti still in nullish area and skipper equity has gone down for me
oj ive put the least effort into reading so he's in the ag/m24/hydro sort poe, def scum in here imo?
i'm still having trouble with you cos it's not like your posts are bad today and nobody cares about actually saving you besides m24 but that entrance still gives me heebie jeebies
more willing to hit in the poe though as for today or at least run up a different wagon for comparison
AG or Hydro are probably the two I'd be most likely to vote rn, but I might honestly no vote unless I hear good reasoning (unless that's a stupid ass play for some reason i don't know)
don't feel super strongly on anyone rn, is it better to just vote someone anyway to help with wagonomics later?
Not really, just wanted to hear other's opinions on them
Will prob end up going on the largest counterwagon, looking like AG at the moment
yes im saying the roles that are good for town are also good for mafia, usually, most roles are actually better for town than mafia imo, but thats why my whole post i said "good" roles not just roles in general
fv and gladiator are just dogshit no matter which alignment has it, but say jailkeeper is strong on either alignment, as is double voter tracker etc, but if we kill "good" roles, you will mostly kill the town players with good roles, with like ok refer to above post, idk how to type it out again any clearer actually
other people may be voting me because they think i am mafia, but one of them is probably just open wolfing outted atp (realiti), one of them forgot why they sadi they were voting me less than a page later (skipper) and one of them is hal
besides that psy has flirted with voting me all game and i dont think i need to go into it again
as a whole i think none of these are actually good reasons, the most justified vote on me is hal, and thats probaly because he hasnt even said why hes voting me
ok so our worldview is pretty similar then cool, i dont really want to blind vote in the poe aorn, my preferred vote today is just realiti but obviously im not driving the thread rn
i do think if i flip town today, you just are putting off the problem of like 4 players who are difficult to impossible to read based on playstyle
ftr the only reason youre really doubting me imo is because youre afraid of me but if i start doing something you have bpv so you can catch me later, i think my game has been towny, so do you, we have practically the same reads for the most part so i have no idea why you would consider me today besides the typical tommy is hard to read so we fearkill him
i mean atm im voting off you. i dont have a strong scumping in either m24/ag/hydro, but like it's probably hard to see m24 and ag be aligned atp so it means last is probably elsewhere?
lm24 is kinda posting unopposed so either like, scum have no thread control
but nobody else is really here to care enough so not putting stock in that read
lm24 is kinda posting unopposed so either like, scum have no thread control
but nobody else is really here to care enough so not putting stock in that read
example, in lylo (so when theres one more town plyaer than mafia), every town player must vote correctly to flip mafia, if town votes town, mafia can win the game
with every additional town player in the game, their vote means mafia cannot exert so much power by a fraction, you can play safe and feel good about yourself, and not trying to flame, but if youre town, then youre basically giving mafia free power by default and they dont have to fear what you do and can plan around it
thats why people are so concerned over who the double voter is ftr, because 1 voter being on town or mafia can matter a LOT towards thread power
with every additional town player in the game, their vote means mafia cannot exert so much power by a fraction, you can play safe and feel good about yourself, and not trying to flame, but if youre town, then youre basically giving mafia free power by default and they dont have to fear what you do and can plan around it
thats why people are so concerned over who the double voter is ftr, because 1 voter being on town or mafia can matter a LOT towards thread power
idk fmpov, if m24 is mafia then like they probably just think im a free ml today so they can stand off, but thats obviously the tmi that im town coming into consideration
i dont think that kind of movie, from non tmi perspective is usually towny though, because its towny to kind of wash your hands of the situation and be open about it, mafia usually feels like they need to vote and it probably comes more natural to them in the situation to tmi me as town and white knight rather than just go "idk what to do"
if mafia is frozen i think they usually just dont post or struggle, m24 feels less struggly more unsure to me rn i think