NOC Werewolf Mafia - Game Over: Mafia Wins!

ImaginaryNeon said:
And who would that be?
That would be your mother!
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JALMONT
Dusk pointed out that the guy was trying to signal to the mafia and I mostly ignored it, but then I actually reread their posts and I realized that it’s not the only time they have signaled that they are a serial killer this game, in fact they have done this multiple times and have advocated for actions that are anti-town and pro SK

JALMONT said:
Anyone want to mass claim? Clear 4 out of 15 isn’t bad
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A lot of people probably glossed over this, but there are only three power roles in the setup, not four, however there are indeed four scum in this setup, which makes me believe that they are actually a serial killer who was softing to the thread.
 
Duskfall98 said:
you should be cautious of him btw, he is one of the stronger players in this game and he is kit playing to his normal meta which is more confrontational and brash

not saying I scumread him, but he definitely should not be someone who gets cleared for acting like innocent earnest newcomer, especially when he is probably inter community level top tier scum player
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I think firekitten's deerling pfp is making him come off more towny and innocent
 
Actually there’s 5 non vanilla roles counting the backups
What anti-town action have I advocated for? Not believing that the collective has a better chance of being correct than random probability isn’t anti town.

nobody actually believes that a WW player would try to communicate to the mafia right?
 
JALMONT said:
Actually there’s 5 non vanilla roles counting the backups
What anti-town action have I advocated for? Not believing that the collective has a better chance of being correct than random probability isn’t anti town.

nobody actually believes that a WW player would try to communicate to the mafia right?
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There are only three clears from them, not four, which is why it’s weird that you stated that there would be four clears, when in fact there would only be three, and when there are only four evil players in the game.

In this game in particular, mafia needs the SK early on, and I think you would also realize that SK will not attempt to shoot mafia, and willtry to shoot town in order to force the town to rely on the serial killer.
 
In fact, claiming neutral killer or softing to the mafia isn’t an unknown strategy, a player named Eevee has done this before because they know the mafia needed him. It’s actually disingenuous to imply that the werewolf would not want the mafia to have a sense as to who they are, as the werewolf doesn’t want to have to waste a BPV, and the mafia doesn’t want to waste a kill.
 
and to respond to the anti town things you have advocated for, the anti town thing you have advocated for is to kill no one. that is by far one of the most anti town actions I’ve ever seen advocated for. by doing this, we will literally end up the next day with probably two dead town, no actual information, and we will be back to square one.

What does town gain from no voting? Why do you think it’s pro town to advocate for that?
 
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firekitten said:
There are only three clears from them, not four, which is why it’s weird that you stated that there would be four clears, when in fact there would only be three, and when there are only four evil players in the game.

In this game in particular, mafia needs the SK early on, and I think you would also realize that SK will not attempt to shoot mafia, and willtry to shoot town in order to force the town to rely on the serial killer.
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I said 4 because I forgot about the mayor and counted the two backups. I mean even if I was thinking about non town players how would saying 4 on accident mean I’m the werewolf?

I don’t think it’s that ridiculous to think that having the WW be alive is NotBad for town because the potential for crossfire is fairly likely and very good for us. I still don’t understand what I’m even “signaling” am I trying to tell the mafia I’m the werewolf? Lol
 
firekitten said:
In fact, claiming neutral killer or softing to the mafia isn’t an unknown strategy, a player named Eevee has done this before because they know the mafia needed him. It’s actually disingenuous to imply that the werewolf would not want the mafia to have a sense as to who they are, as the werewolf doesn’t want to have to waste a BPV, and the mafia doesn’t want to waste a kill.
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This scenario is so unlikely that it’s not worth considering. You’re way more likely to imagine things that aren’t happening but of course you’re welcome to do so if that floats your boat.
 
firekitten said:
and to respond to the anti town things you have advocated for, the anti town thing you have advocated for is to kill no one. that is by far one of the most anti town actions I’ve ever seen advocated for. by doing this, we will literally end up the next day with probably two dead town, no actual information, and we will be back to square one.

What does town gain from no voting? Why do you think it’s pro town to advocate for that?
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I think it’s more likely the SK kills mafia then the town votes for a mafia and the SK is likely to pick someone who is “deep wolf” or otherwise unlikely to get voted out in the near future, which is close to a game winning scenario for the town.

I also don’t think this is likely to happen, so I’m not as concerned as you seem to be about having “no info.”

non conventional lines of thinking doesn’t automatically equate to anti town
 
And to be quite frank, I am a flashy player who likes to do stuff to generate reactions and content. I like to utilize a lot of reaction tests with the way I pressure people in order to generate reactions that I can read on, I fairly rarely actually go full send with my cases on people as my play style disguises itself as a logical type of player with the way I present reads when really I care fairly little about my actual reason on people. I love looking for reactions, comparing them to what I know of that player, comparing it to people that I have played with in the past, ect.

And your reactions here are off putting. The way you are responding to me does not seem like a town player who is seeing a player stretch the definition of what “logical cases” are and are processing it accordingly. What I see is a reactive (scum trait by the way, to be reactive more than proactive) player who seems fairly threatened by me, might even be annoyed for being correct for the wrong reasons (maybe I actually mafia, perhaps?)

Let’s take a step back actually, and why don’t you put away all the things I just said in this post into your brain and just keep it there for a while and we talk about a different topic and see what comes from it?

Take a look at the players. How aware are you of their opinions on the game, the other players, ect. How many of those players do you think will backstab you today and vote you off before end of day?
 
Dusk, I lied about actually not being able to find the serial killer. On my home site, I am known for being a very accurate power role hunter. In a rolemadness game I was able to deduce tbat not only was Vulgard a mafia member, they were exactly a rolecop. I did this without actually knowing that there was a rolecop in the game, and without knowing Vulgard alignment. In the same breath I also pointed out that aelin was a likely power role (they were a mafia roleblocker). Finding the serial killer, or mafia power roles, or just mafia in general is actually fairly possible with the right environment
 
I’m not threatened by you, I just like to talk about the setup. If you think I really am the SK you should vote me because getting rid of the SK on day 1is a town winning play. But then you’d have to believe that you can find the SK at a better than random chance. Maybe people believe that idk

I’m not worried about people “backstabbing” me. I think I present as fairly eccentric so presumably someone easy to vote but that seems like a common self-delusion so I don’t put too much stock into that.

Objectively speaking, I don’t think anyone’s sample size is large enough to definitively say they can catch a power role or mafia on day 1 better than random chance. Sorry!
 
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