NOC Werewolf Mafia - Game Over: Mafia Wins!

JALMONT said:
When I think about this game I see two major groups - realiti/FK vs. Psy/Laurel. What makes this interaction more interesting is the fact that both realiti and FK really drove the vote away from skip. The flashpoint for the vote was p.70-72. Realiti ended up getting off skip to go to whydon which kinda felt like a meme and then ended up on dusk over skip. FK defended skip on p.71 at the time skip was the majority wagon.

For me then I zero in on skip because if skip is mafia, then it seems pretty likely that one of realiti/FK is his buddy. But the Celever NK really gives me pause on that (fwiw I don't buy mafia was 3rd party hunting w a celever kill. a skip mafia team is never killing someone they know is 1. defending him and basically saving him from the vote and 2. was pushing an alternative vote who they know is also town.

Psy is just incredibly hard to know what he actually thinks because he flips in real time. But I think his skipper vote was more solid than some of the other votes he was throwing out. Laurel is a fairly weak association but I'm including because imo he's the only one who's really strongly town-read psy while everyone else is kind of shading him (with psy not being one of those).

If I decide skip is mafia -> I'm seeing realiti/FK as 1 partner and then maybe like whydon or someone else who didn't really participate in the vote. Ehmcee is never skip's partner.
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I've literally been pushing skip more than any other player
 
@3-3-3 with ~10 mins left, whydon didn't vote

Ehmcee was concerned for a tie and left the 3 vote wagon on me to go dusk? Why? Is he teammates with whydon worried someone was going to swap? Was he worried I might vote whydon and didn't want to take the risk?
 
realiti said:
I've literally been pushing skip more than any other player
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It's interesting though that when skip had majority vote, you were the first to move off into whydon. And then you went from Whydon not back to skip but to Dusk.
Psypsypsypsypsythe said:
....... we do??
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yea the game before he flash wagoned uhh vizh? who was mafia. and it was a game winning play because it cleared him in the f3.

Psypsypsypsypsythe said:
yeah mcs flip to tommy there is really bad
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i kind of want to give him the benefit of the doubt but it's pretty strong whydon + ehmcee evidence
 
i definitely think ls has been doing a lot less this game and to me it leans scummy because she is believed to be townspewed for some reason and can coast off that. i still dont agree with the locks of me and ls as town based off that situation, and i think if theres any conclusion to be drawn its that me and ls are unpartnered or that im not mafia. going beyond that to say were both town is too hasty
 
JALMONT said:
yea the game before he flash wagoned uhh vizh? who was mafia. and it was a game winning play because it cleared him in the f3.
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this isnt really comparable. the way hydro is going about it is completely different. with the vizh vote, it was a mutual decision to switch to vizh mainly formed by mc and hydro because they both agreed that the main two wagons at eod didnt feel right. hydro himself though was very jittery and nervous about the whole thing. here, hydro is flailing around screaming to vote jalmont for seemingly no particular reason, even admitting you werent his top scumread but he just likes flashwagons. theres a sensibility to how he voted for the vizh wagon thats missing here
 
Psypsypsypsypsythe said:
i definitely think ls has been doing a lot less this game and to me it leans scummy because she is believed to be townspewed for some reason and can coast off that. i still dont agree with the locks of me and ls as town based off that situation, and i think if theres any conclusion to be drawn its that me and ls are unpartnered or that im not mafia. going beyond that to say were both town is too hasty
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I don't have LS locked town - you even said I'm the only one to have her not be lock town.

I can't really conclude you and her aren't partnered. i don't think you've even voted her once which is VERY unusual for you....haha....
Psypsypsypsypsythe said:
this isnt really comparable. the way hydro is going about it is completely different. with the vizh vote, it was a mutual decision to switch to vizh mainly formed by mc and hydro because they both agreed that the main two wagons at eod didnt feel right. hydro himself though was very jittery and nervous about the whole thing. here, hydro is flailing around screaming to vote jalmont for seemingly no particular reason, even admitting you werent his top scumread but he just likes flashwagons. theres a sensibility to how he voted for the vizh wagon thats missing here
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i'll defer to you i don't remember reading it that way but I wasn't in the game so. even if HH doesn't have that MO, what does he gain from trying to move the vote? Way too much risk/no to little reward trying that as mafia.
Psypsypsypsypsythe said:
why is missing dl bad for ls but fine for neon
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It's not fine for neon, it is equally bad but I think other behaviors such creating a notebook to log posts are not mafia is enough effort that i don't think a new mafia mafia player would put in. like i said ironically i think neon would've been coached to SOME extent how to post on a mafia team.
 
JALMONT said:
i'll defer to you i don't remember reading it that way but I wasn't in the game so. even if HH doesn't have that MO, what does he gain from trying to move the vote? Way too much risk/no to little reward trying that as mafia.
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my thought on hydros behavior was him trying to behave chaotically to reverse engineer townreads. like "oh hes being too out there so it doesnt make sense for him to be scum." its an imitation of how people are normally able to read me. i dont see there being much risk involved in it seeing as tides have already been shifting towards you and the idea didnt originate with hydro
 
Psypsypsypsypsythe said:
my thought on hydros behavior was him trying to behave chaotically to reverse engineer townreads. like "oh hes being too out there so it doesnt make sense for him to be scum." its an imitation of how people are normally able to read me. i dont see there being much risk involved in it seeing as tides have already been shifting towards you and the idea didnt originate with hydro
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Sure that's possible. In general I try and tend to take the "path of least resistance" in the sense that, for most people, that's A LOT of effort for no reward/it backfires in your face. So much easier to go with the status quo as mafia. it's as huge risk to take because there's no guarantee people will agree and it could've easily flipped back on to him.
Psypsypsypsypsythe said:
who was the other person at the top alongside whydon and tommy? was it you
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jalmont/skip/dusk and a slight celever scum lean

I think you have to hold people accountability who are consistently wrong. I've been thinking through the world where skip is town, which gets likelier every time I think about it, and I don't where to go from there except ehmcee must be bad.
 
i kind of see what laurel brings up in realitis treatment of me this game. he is normally the person to do what laurel is doing and agree with points i make but like i wonder why if scum here he would decide to break from that and go after me, maybe because im scumreading him? or because last game he was pocketing me so this game he feels the need to switch it up so that i dont catch on
 
Psypsypsypsypsythe said:
idk what this is but i meant who were the top 3 wagons before mc switched
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oh i thought you were talking about his scum reads. you are right it was me
Psypsypsypsypsythe said:
i think mcs posting is worse than skips anyway but maybe because theres more of it to be bad (has skip even posted today) and either way theyre both pretty horrible
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yeah which is why i'd actually give the benefit of the doubt to someone posting a little more or at least coming off as more engaged and not as stilted
 
Psypsypsypsypsythe said:
why am i not werewolf btw
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I don't think you can play your playstyle as WW. Meaning I think you are smart enough to recognize that you would need a different strategy as third party. I actually think you've been a little more muted this game, but your opinions have been coherent enough for me to rule it out.

I don't even know why I mentioned it tbh. It's not worth our time and effort to find an individual bad guy right now. At least I'm not worried about it (yes, it would be fantastic if voted out the WW today, thanks all).
 
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