NOC Assist Trophy Mutiny [GAME OVER]

Aura Guardian said:
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Reviews of:
Lady Salamence: mentioned boring trophy, exciting role. Reason to target her? Shows some fair play checking if Zippy's played before, etc. Jokes about my track record as mafia. Thinks Whydon's claim was a joke, then says it's also likely to get reactions. Also understands my reasoning for pressuring Whydon.
Duskfall98: Goes after Fame and Neon for the Zippy vote. Hops on the LS wagon. Not sure what the banter with HH/me/Fame on page 6 means in full. Scumleans LS. Remarks that I'm opportunistic; I know I can be impulsive in such ways. Townleans Fame, defends Whydon because it's how he plays. Then he remarks on how Whydon held out so long. Sits on the LS vote, defends Whydon again.

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Whydon: Initially goes after me, speaks well of Haruno. Fake checks LS, sticks to it until it's basically too late to save her. To put it bluntly, my role effortlessly strains game balance more than both flips put together and his claim blows me out of the water. So of course I suspect something is up. Also promises he's not trolling, when he later admitted he was. Page 12, claims he didn't know LS redcheck was a meme despite multiple people speaking up soon after his claim that it was, and it literally being her status. Memes for a while with trash posts. Scumleans Laurel, but doesn't seem to vote him. Interesting. Then asks to turbo Spiderz, who I strongly believe to be town.
ZippyDoo200: Early seems mostly new-to-the-site-and-our-style stuff. Says dusk will regret saying his opening was townie. Reminds me of a style I used as mafia before the revival and then abandoned. Though it could just be a joke. Jokes about revealing role, then goes after Haruno. Then joins the LS wagon. Derides Neon's note-taking despite how useful such a style can be for finding relations in all the fluff. Scumreads both Whydon and LS??? Don't get that. Defends Whydon a bit in the face of my push, then asks Ehmcee why he thinks Whydon is town. Wording reminds me again of an old mafia style I discarded, pointing out my less-savory points as something to the tune of I know it's not great, but I think it anyway. Lampshading. CLOSE TO DEADLINE. Then switches to Ehmcee. Says no opinion on Whydon, wants to keep them around. Says not to vote LS, then immediately changes at EoD.
--------------> D2, argues against me vs him. Does he know that if that's accepted, that it'd guarantee he falls and at most takes me with him? TMI slip? Seems to place a lot on Dusk's posts. I admit, I did the same D1, but that's demonstrably wrong so I admit error there. Reason to kill Dusk, to use him as a posthumous character witness? Wants to vote outside the wagons, so I'm guessing the mafia are at least mostly inside the major wagons, because between EoD and everything, I think Zippy is mafia. Suggests Ehmcee, Spiderz/Thunder, shadowpea. Oh, and get this: Post 370 says about half the people on wagons are town, despite wanting to vote outside the wagons. Because half on wagon town = half are NOT. Yeah, seems a lot better given an estimate of 3-4 mafia. Later suggests mafia didn't vote.

Just in case any of that counted as a vote, Vote Whydon. I've covered my territory and I'm sticking with it. I think it's him and Zippy as a pair.

Though I could be talked into a Zippy vote.
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Aura Guardian said:
Quoted for reference.

Dead Town:
Duskfall98, Lady Salamence

Me:
Aura Guardian, of course

Probably Town:
Ehmcee, shadowpea, Spiderz, Thunder~BALLZ - from Zippy's desire to vote them.

Townlean:
ImaginaryNeon - the effort he puts into that list feels townie
Laurel -

Null:
HydrogenHydreigon - no real impression

Lean Scum (by default)
Fame, Haruno - others feel townie, they're lower in Null than Fame, so putting them here. And they're on the main wagons, so given my sus on Zippy and how I think I saw through obfuscation, they're here.

Probably Scum:
Whydon - Feels like Powerwolf/Openwolf
ZippyDoo200 - Feels like Deepwolf

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Anyway, that's my reads list.
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I like these posts from you, and I encourage others to write in detail what their thoughts on the game are, but I really don't like some aspects of this.

1. Scum Whydon

Yeah, the fake redcheck happened, this is not indicative of his alignment. Whydon is always the chaos slot at the start of the game, but we've seen him become a lot more useful to town later on, last game was pretty indicative of this. Whydon mentionned that he was initially going to disolve the LS wagon due to it being out of nowhere, but mentionned finding LS's reaction to the accusation scummy. While I find it weird to exclude that from your post, I will agree that I personally didn't agree with that reasoning to keep pushing LS, however Tommy also agreed that her reaction seemed scummy, essentially townreading Whydon.

I think Whydon is town, I think voting him is wrong here, I think we generally just get a lot more useful info for town from getting a different lynch tonight, if we're truly scared of openwolf Whydon, which could be possible, I don't feel comfortable voting him before gaining some more info.

2. Probably Town List

It feels especially weird that you're basing your town reads (which i assume are more positive than your townleans) exclusively based on who Zippy's sussed out, but also, you're just wrong on some of them?

Literally no one's scumread Spiderz? At least not Zippy, even checked Whydon and nothing from them unless I'm blind, townreading them seems so awkward as well since they've literally done nothing but post 3 posts, literally the player that's contributed the least this game.

From what I've seen he hasn't scumread TBZ either apart from calling him Lazy Ballz (hella funny), although I think this is a pretty good town.

I just really don't like that these town reads are A) not movitated or B) based on Zippy's suspicion of them, which falls apart if Zippy happens to flip green
 
Honestly after reading into it, I think I keep Zippy as a neutral or even a townlean for now,

I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt with the LS vote situation, it looked really bad, but most of the rest of what he's posted has seemed decent. I really liked our back and forth today after I questionned him, seems like a towny trying to redeem themself as well as generally trying to answer questions.

Duskfall also early townread him (for a reason i don't particularly believe in, his opening was just fine imo), Whydon also agrees with this so I'm inclined to just pass over him for now.


Anyways, you're probably the player I sus the most rn, so unless some more info comes out:

Vote Aura Guardian

ok it's 3:30 am I'm going to bed byyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyye
 
Ehmcee said:
Literally no one's scumread Spiderz? At least not Zippy, even checked Whydon and nothing from them unless I'm blind, townreading them seems so awkward as well since they've literally done nothing but post 3 posts, literally the player that's contributed the least this game.
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Did you miss the bolded " Ehmcee, Spiderz/Thunder, shadowpea. " from Zippy's list? I suppose I should have only given that list a lean instead of a probably.

As for Duskfall's reads, note that he called out how Whydon held out for so long. Could have been killed because mafia sensed him turning against Whydon later.

I see I forgot to fill in my reason for Laurel; his posts feel genuine and like he's trying to contribute. A decent amount of that read is gut.
 
ZippyDoo200 said:
I'm not on your level so you need to come down to mine.

Duskfall himself said Mhydon was Town, yes? I think pretty much all of LS wagon, myself included, is Town. MAYBE one, but most likely no. I also think Mhydon is mostly town.

Therefore, we need to vote outside the two wagons (imo)

Spiderz
Thunder~BALLZ
Ehmcee
ImaginaryNeon (unvoted)
HydrogenHydreigon
shadowpea

Okay and among these, I would vote you (Ehmcee), Spiderz or Thunder and then Shadowpea.

What do you think of my logic?
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Aura Guardian

He's not sussing these people, hes proposing we vote the people that weren't on either train, which I personally disagree with but whatever

Did I miss a post because I genuinely can't find it
 
Aura Guardian said:
As for Duskfall's reads, note that he called out how Whydon held out for so long. Could have been killed because mafia sensed him turning against Whydon later.
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Also, this was clearly an amicably surprised reaction. Like "hey man, that was really funny, surprised you lasted that long". Also he voted with whydon? I don't ever see why this would be mafs kill if whydon was maf
 
Weird how these so called townies completely ignored my read on shadowpea even though its clearly a situation where the mafia didn't start or lead the main or counter wagon.
 
Ehmcee said:
Why'd you not include hydro and neon?
Him saying we should vote one of these 6 people does not justify you townreading all of them lmao
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I did include Neon. Townlean. As for HH, didn't see anything that really stuck out to me, unlike everything else.

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And I feel like this could read as third scum defending caught buddies; may need to adjust Ehmcee on my reads list. Too much missing things I said to deride what I said.
 
Aura Guardian said:
I did include Neon. Townlean. As for HH, didn't see anything that really stuck out to me, unlike everything else.

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And I feel like this could read as third scum defending caught buddies; may need to adjust Ehmcee on my reads list. Too much missing things I said to deride what I said.
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Spiderz literally did not say anything
 
Aura Guardian said:
I did include Neon. Townlean. As for HH, didn't see anything that really stuck out to me, unlike everything else.
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Yeah that's the problem, you give a legitimate reason for townreading Neon,

Then you decide that since Zippy said we should vote for some of these 6 people, that means you should townread all of them? Then exclude HH for no reason, give some reasoning for your townreads other than Zippy simply saying we should vote one of these 6.

Also explain to me why you're so confident on the Spiderz townread
 
ImaginaryNeon said:
Also where VC?
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SMH honestly I didn't think many people voted yet lol

ImaginaryNeon's Special Votecount

Whydon (2) - Aura Guardian, Haruno
ImaginaryNeon (1) - ImaginaryNeon
ZippyDoo200 (1) - Laurel
Aura Guardian (1) - Ehmcee

Not Voting (6) - Spiderz, Whydon, HydrogenHydreigon, Thunder~BALLZ, Fame, shadowpea

......I was right.
 
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