NOC Vote n' Veto NOC Mafia - Game Thread [Game Over - Town Win!]

I didn't call you wrong, and I never doubted that you play this style of mafia. I stated that I'd never heard of it, and I scanned your first post and missed where you said it has the same phases, which is something I self-corrected on half an hour before you came back to the thread and started hurling insults. You escalated this.

That was in response to you hurling insults at me lmao
You were wrong and I corrected you.

Then I said you had no idea what you're talking about because you didn't. Objectively you were assuming things and were wrong. That is undeniable.

Celever you dont know what you're talking about.

Then you said

I don't know what I'm talking about. Your bad attitude is coming out again for no reason lol

Even though these were my posts up till that point.

It's really not that different.

Similarities
Flips
Setups similar
Players similar
Phase length similar
Post lengths similar

Differences
Overall more posts
Faster interaction? I guess, it depends on the player just like in forum mafia. I can go real time interaction with Celever but usually not AG.


Discord mafia and Forum mafia are very similar, all the mechanical stuff related to votes isn't invalidated at all. The people play very similar, as many discord maf players are forum maf players and vice versa.

At least where I played, discord mafia is basically exactly like Forum mafia.

The way discord is setup now it resembles a forum more and more everyday too.

What are you talking about? No they do not. The phases last 48 hours 24 nights usually.


No you have plenty of downtime to go back and analyze.
 
So I have someone who is saying

1. I am wrong about discord mafia even though i just played it
2. I am wrong about trying to connect the two games because they're not similar
3. They are so much smarter because they have 10 years of experience and I'm basically dirt

And I have the bad attitude? I got upset because you were saying shit that was clearly true wasn't true.
 
My main frusteration is that Celever is dismissing what I say because they don't deem any of it real mafia.

They don't think my games on discord mafia count because according to them, 500 players is not a lot of people and 100 games is not a lot of games.

Just because I haven't played for 10 years does not make my analysis and experience playing mafia less valid than yours. I still got shit to say and I'm not going to let you offhandedly dismiss it when you were assuming things about it and doubled down when proven wrong.
 
Had a phone call sorry x
You were wrong and I corrected you.
I corrected myself:
Forum mafia is much more solved and game theory based than disc mafia is. It's not to say disc mafia is low skill, but it's far more fluid wrt strategy.

I also see now you've said phase length is similar in your bullet point. That would be extremely irregular. Live mafia tends to take 30-60 minutes, and if you're playing long mafia games on disc that's a strange hybrid system that is rare.

Zippy said:
Then I said you had no idea what you're talking about because you didn't.
Except I did, seeing as how I corrected myself, and have much more knowledge than you on the history of internet mafia.
Zippy said:
Objectively you were assuming things and were wrong. That is undeniable.
Sure, in the initial post, before I corrected myself. And then, after that, I was right, and you tried to correct me anywhere to act high and mighty.
So I have someone who is saying

1. I am wrong about discord mafia even though i just played it
You're wrong about discord mafia as a totality. You're right about one community that calls yourself Discord Mafia. Maybe you shouldn't use a general umbrella term if you want to refer to yourselves specifically, or you should have had the knowledge to state this is a specific community, which you didn't have.
Zippy said:
2. I am wrong about trying to connect the two games because they're not similar
They are not similar enough, with the law you stated being a prime example of this.
Zippy said:
3. They are so much smarter because they have 10 years of experience and I'm basically dirt
Yeah, not what I said, but is a fair rebuttal to you saying stuff like:
Celever you dont know what you're talking about.
Maybe 5 years ago, things are different now.
My bad attitude? LOL dude all I said is you don't have any idea what you're talking about, which is true.
It's cool that you are in this niche community. It doesn't make people who are more knowledgeable than you on mafia for not being one of the 500-odd people who happen to be in that community stupid, out-of-touch, or negative. Consider if you had approached this with "in my cool community we actually do do long deadline games on Discord, and so I think that more similarities can be drawn compared with standard discord mafia", instead of launching into a tirade about how I'm stupid x
 
Forum mafia is much more solved and game theory based than disc mafia is. It's not to say disc mafia is low skill, but it's far more fluid wrt strategy.

I also see now you've said phase length is similar in your bullet point. That would be extremely irregular. Live mafia tends to take 30-60 minutes, and if you're playing long mafia games on disc that's a strange hybrid system that is rare.
Just in case you missed the post because you've launched into an argument ignoring its existence
 
Okay guess we are continuing this.

Except I did, seeing as how I corrected myself, and have much more knowledge than you on the history of internet mafia.
I was catching up on the thread and responding, then you started duelling with me in real time so I didn't get to that post Celever.
It doesn't change the fact that you doubled down afterwards.

Sure, in the initial post, before I corrected myself. And then, after that, I was right, and you tried to correct me anywhere to act high and mighty.
You are projecting. I never tried to act high and mighty until later when you started accusing me of doing what you yourself were doing.


You're wrong about discord mafia as a totality. You're right about one community that calls yourself Discord Mafia. Maybe you shouldn't use a general umbrella term if you want to refer to yourselves specifically, or you should have had the knowledge to state this is a specific community, which you didn't have.
NO I AM NOT.

JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE BEEN AROUND FOR TEN YEARS DOES NOT GIVE YOU PERFECT KNOWLEDGE OF MAFIA EVERYWHERE ON THE INTERNET.

I have looked around discord mafia a lot, I know a lot about mafia online despite not having the most experience. Discord Mafia can refer to a few things.

1. Popcorn Mafia / Discord Bots. Short games
2. Voice/Video games through discord
3. Mafia games played through discord but not the typical mafia bots.

If I was referring to voice or video mafia, i would have clarified because those don't share much similarities with Forum Mafia. You assumed I was talking about Popcorn mafia '/ discord bot games. Yes this may be what you are most familiar with when it comes to discord mafia but YOU are not everyone.

Which is where this whole issue stems from. You are trying to say your view of mafia is more accurate than mine. I am telling you that you are wrong and havent explored mafia as much as you think you have. The proof? Being that you didn't even know there was longer mafia games played on discord despite its popularity.
Your response was it call it "niche" and then say you have more experience so you know what is niche and I don't,
Even though this forum has way less users and activity than Discord Mafia.

They are not similar enough, with the law you stated being a prime example of this.
Except nothing in the law was disproven lol. It's just a thought experiment anyway.

It's cool that you are in this niche community. It doesn't make people who are more knowledgeable than you on mafia for not being one of the 500-odd people who happen to be in that community stupid, out-of-touch, or negative. Consider if you had approached this with "in my cool community we actually do do long deadline games on Discord, and so I think that more similarities can be drawn compared with standard discord mafia", instead of launching into a tirade about how I'm stupid x
Once again you are calling it niche, from what basis do you call it niche? This seems like gatekeeping to me. Just because it doesn't conform to your preconceived notions of mafia does not make it niche. It is more popular than this very forum. In fact discord mafia at this point is more popular than Forum Mafia, undeniably. So if anything forum mafia is the niche one.

I only called you stupid because you were so confident that you were right even though you were wrong, then you doubled down and even now you are continuing to try and dismiss what I said because my community is "niche" even though IT PLAYS THE EXACT SAME WAY AS HERE.
 
Official Votecount 1.4: Six(ish) Hours Remain

Votes (+)

Ehmcee (2): Psypsypsypsypsythe
skippergamez (3): Blazade, Aura Guardian
Aura Guradian (2): Ehmcee, HydrogenHydregion
Psypsypsypsypsythe (1): ZippyDoo200
ZippyDoo200 (1): pulsar512b
HydrogenHydregion (1): Celever

Vetoes (-)
Psypsypsypsypsythe (.5): Psypsypsypsypsythe
Blazade (.5): Blazade
Aura Guardian (1): Aura Guardian, Celever
skippergamez (.5): skippergamez
pulsar512b (.5): pulsar512b
HydrogenHydregion (.5) HydrogenHydregion


Totals:
skippergamez: 2.5
Ehmcee: 2
Aura Guardian: 1
ZippyDoo200: 1
Psypsypsypsypsythe: .5
HydrogenHydregion: .5
 
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