NOC Popcorn Mafia 3 Game Thread

Celever said:
Clouds is consistently providing novel content and linking with lots of relationships which seems towny but he could be masterminding effectively IMO. Can’t let him end game bc if he gets ICed his takes are good and could flip the game, probably shouldn’t shoot rn either

We can shoot Chad and no one will care and that is probably the outcome of either this cycle or the next but his slot is very low value atm because the interactions and content around him are not hard locked at all
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this is the exact kind of take that sketches me out cel

you give a bunch of reasons i'm town & then add "but he could be playing us so we should shoot him anyways", and i'm sure you know how that reads. i'm also not the type of player to ever be ic'd, unless i'm actually ic like in that one smogon game caff hosted with the moderror or whatever wound up happening lol

let's go back a step though: what exactly is it that makes you townread me or say i'm producing "novel content" that you view positively
 
Lady Salamence said:
gamestate wise, i agree that starting to pick off some of the lhf is a good idea. chad i know nothing about other than the thoughts here in this thread, if he's town and giving him the gun will force him into activity and he's as experienced in mafia as people are saying, then im more down to shoot him than Caff but like, not by much. Caff's interaction with Tommy earlier today is just bizarre and i wanna see more from him which i think we can get without giving him the gun necessarily, whereas people seem of the opinion that Chad being inactive is a bizarre situation that may not change without some change in the situation.

interested at how little people are looking at whydon as lhf, but maybe im still a bit meta angry at his behavior in assist trophy? tbz hasn't done anything all phase that i remember either except for randomly accuse me of bussing, and my current "lhf people who aren't taking the game seriously" group is caff plus those two. whereas chad falls into a different group in my mind including folks like zippy(up to when jalmont subbed in) and flyhn of people who were seemingly seriously interfacing with the game when they were active.

i've not given too much thought since waking up towards non-lhf shoot targets, given that the conversation wasn't heading in that direction overnight as i've caught up. if you asked me last night i'd probably go "yeah ehmcee seems to be the primary wagon on an active user, and that's a wagon i'd be fine joining", but overnight my thoughts on texas have gotten a bit less sure after the psy-texas discussion about pressure. i also think i need to re-evaluate my celever view given that i kinda just didn't think about them at all but now i'm internalizing that they're intentionally not interfacing with the game which i'm not thrilled about
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Lady Salamence did you ever re-evaluate celever as you said you would at the end here, & if so where are you at now?

i looked through for an update and didn't see it, if i missed it just give me post #
 
Clouds said:
Lady Salamence did you ever re-evaluate celever as you said you would at the end here, & if so where are you at now?

i looked through for an update and didn't see it, if i missed it just give me post #
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funny, that

they've actually gotten more serious/invested since that message at the asterisk of apparently some of that was bc he was drunk., 2918, but i was super unnerved by a celever who was like, "im not putting in effort" 2318 - that post was abt 2318 and the general approach that came from it. where since that post they've actually picked up. if that holds then i think im pretty fine with them all things considered but if they do revert back to low-interest/low-effort then i like it a lot less. currently i wouldn't be thrilled about voting celever but if they revert to how they used to be then i start wondering why. im sure celever has some irl explanation or whatever and i'm sure AG wasn't lying but also like, it seems out of habit for celever to be like this
 
Lady Salamence said:
But yeah not gonna lie I didn’t exactly have any push personally to like, not back Psy‘s reads and stuff.
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i'm concerned about how sure you seemed that ag was going to flip mafia, less worried about whether or not you backed his reads

you told psy "don't fumble this" in regards to not shooting ag (#1949) right before ag got shot. as of right now, i see the highest ag busser equity lying in you/skipper with a sideways glance towards tommy's "bussing"

what do you think about the other two & their treatment of ag's slot day 1?
 
Clouds said:
this is the exact kind of take that sketches me out cel

you give a bunch of reasons i'm town & then add "but he could be playing us so we should shoot him anyways", and i'm sure you know how that reads. i'm also not the type of player to ever be ic'd, unless i'm actually ic like in that one smogon game caff hosted with the moderror or whatever wound up happening lol

let's go back a step though: what exactly is it that makes you townread me or say i'm producing "novel content" that you view positively
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I mean being shot and surviving is being ICed so...

producing novel content and getting yourself into a spider web of connections is generally not a beneficial thing to do as mafia because it's providing town pieces of the jigsaw puzzle for them to put together. Going all-in on that style of play so early is either a fake out or actually town-motivated, and the only reason I mentioned it is because this take isn't being widely applied to you in the way it is being applied to Texas and Flyhn as a townread, and I find that interesting
 
Clouds said:
i'm concerned about how sure you seemed that ag was going to flip mafia, less worried about whether or not you backed his reads

you told psy "don't fumble this" in regards to not shooting ag (#1949) right before ag got shot. as of right now, i see the highest ag busser equity lying in you/skipper with a sideways glance towards tommy's "bussing"

what do you think about the other two & their treatment of ag's slot day 1?
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no let's be clear

i told psy dont fumble this by running the clock down and afking the shot into getting killed given that he already shifted the DL and then didnt shoot immediately at his shifted DL and was still chitchatting
 
Lady Salamence said:
funny, that

they've actually gotten more serious/invested since that message at the asterisk of apparently some of that was bc he was drunk., 2918, but i was super unnerved by a celever who was like, "im not putting in effort" 2318 - that post was abt 2318 and the general approach that came from it. where since that post they've actually picked up. if that holds then i think im pretty fine with them all things considered but if they do revert back to low-interest/low-effort then i like it a lot less. currently i wouldn't be thrilled about voting celever but if they revert to how they used to be then i start wondering why. im sure celever has some irl explanation or whatever and i'm sure AG wasn't lying but also like, it seems out of habit for celever to be like this
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celever's "i'm not putting in effort" post is one of the ones i care the least about

posts like that break two ways: mafia trying to cover for inevitably not posting like their town selves, or town just not giving a fuck. cel's broke somewhere in the middle, the rest of his day 1 sucked, then he was kinda townie for a bit after, and now his most recent reappearance is wolfy
 
Clouds said:
celever's "i'm not putting in effort" post is one of the ones i care the least about

posts like that break two ways: mafia trying to cover for inevitably not posting like their town selves, or town just not giving a fuck. cel's broke somewhere in the middle, the rest of his day 1 sucked, then he was kinda townie for a bit after, and now his most recent reappearance is wolfy
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that's fine i cared about it a fair bit
 
Celever said:
I mean being shot and surviving is being ICed so...

producing novel content and getting yourself into a spider web of connections is generally not a beneficial thing to do as mafia because it's providing town pieces of the jigsaw puzzle for them to put together. Going all-in on that style of play so early is either a fake out or actually town-motivated, and the only reason I mentioned it is because this take isn't being widely applied to you in the way it is being applied to Texas and Flyhn as a townread, and I find that interesting
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yeah but that's not what you meant by being IC'd is it? in this context it'd be "so townread they'd never get shot to begin with"

the flyhn/texas take is interesting though, do you think the distinction in treatment is in good faith?
 
Clouds said:
yeah but that's not what you meant by being IC'd is it? in this context it'd be "so townread they'd never get shot to begin with"

the flyhn/texas take is interesting though, do you think the distinction in treatment is in good faith?
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it is in fact what I meant by being ICed. I was just saying if you’re town you’d be a particularly good shooter cos your takes are being a little more disregarded than others’ playing similar to you and you being a shooter would force people to interact

the distinction is either not in good faith, or because you have a diff rep to those two. Idk your rep at all really but I remember Tommy saying you’re bad at scum for instance so maybe you’re more underrated by some people in the game
 
Celever said:
it is in fact what I meant by being ICed. I was just saying if you’re town you’d be a particularly good shooter cos your takes are being a little more disregarded than others’ playing similar to you and you being a shooter would force people to interact

the distinction is either not in good faith, or because you have a diff rep to those two. Idk your rep at all really but I remember Tommy saying you’re bad at scum for instance so maybe you’re more underrated by some people in the game
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yeah lol, i've been imagining the reactions to me winding up with gun already

tbz's reaction and treatment of me afterwards would be useful in unveiling his alignment. requesting gun directly is a throw though, and i'm growing increasingly confident we get at least 1 hit in [hydro/chad], chad might also be in antispew considering he hasn't reappeared. it's easy for mafia to get demotivated in situations like this and if he's viewed as a likely shot by his teammates and himself, can be better to ditch thread and not risk revealing town on your way out. if he winds up being town, then it forces him to get his head in the game
 
Duskfall98 said:
honestly tbz could be a fine shot because usually when he's doing his I'm too cool to play thing that him and whydon like to do he gives a few reads and doesn't explain them, here he's just not giving anything at all
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to be fair he did the random townreads thing, but this time it wasn't like the reads at least seemed to have some sort of believable origin & it was just a towncore he made up

what do you think of him pushing for an mc shot end of day 1 without explicitly defending ag?
 
i agree that tbz is capable of faking the same sort of tbz playstyle as mafia, he did it recently in a game we played on the ps maf forum and most of the game ate it up. i sr'd him that game early and he ditched thread & was evasive in interacting with me, but i guess i just haven't felt that to the same level here, or at least enough to warrant thinking tbz is an ideal shot right here and now
 
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