NOC Two Mafias Mafia - Won by The Pack

realiti said:
Gonna be pretty busy today. IPL tracker claim is weird and it could be scum tracker, but given that we can easily verify their results and force them to give info I think leaving them for now is fine? I think they should claim their bgb result and that'll probably help us figure how legit Celever's claim is as well.

I'd vote toaster or LS here, they haven't done anything that would make me reconsider my reads on them

VOTE TOASTERBOI420
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No, I don’t think it’s a good idea to waste one of our two votes on people who are claiming vanilla town unless you feel strongly they are bgb’s teammate.

given celever’s claim, you actually aren’t out of the woods here since conceivably there is a world in which your team was responsible for shooting ehmcee
 
Okay, here are the three games I have sheets for which include realiti (ignoring WW because I'm not gonna try to find where I put the journal with that...thing and then try to manually import it to Google Sheets).

This game (???)
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Assist Trophy (Town)
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Popcorn 3 (Scum)
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And what does this tell us?
Probably nothing.
But I'm gonna try to make some shit up so I don't feel like I wasted my time.

So, you see how in Popcorn 3, where he was scum, there were multiple D1 reads, then only one D2 read?
And how in Assist Trophy, where he was town, there were no reads on D1, but a shit ton (also known as five) on D2?
The timing of this game's reads seem closer to the former.

♫ Based on that small thing that isn't too concrete,
I'll Vote realiti! ♫

(I'll give you absolutely nothing if you can guess what song that's to the tune of.)

 
JALMONT said:
No, I don’t think it’s a good idea to waste one of our two votes on people who are claiming vanilla town unless you feel strongly they are bgb’s teammate.

given celever’s claim, you actually aren’t out of the woods here since conceivably there is a world in which your team was responsible for shooting ehmcee
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TBF this is how assuming the vts are all town is hindering the solving process. You said before max 1 vt is lying, I’d be inclined to agree with that. 3 or 4 vts both make sense in this setup.

So solving assuming 3 in the PR claims is not mathematical. If there’s a max of 1 mafia in vts then that’s proportionately similar to 2 in role claims. Solving 3 out of claimed roles is placing them under too much of a lens, and giving vts (namely LS) a free pass.

I have my own hold ups with LS x BGB, namely that they teamed completely openly if they are scum together and IDK why they would. LS scum is the obvious solve for a reason though, you’re the only person approaching it without that perspective rn
 
Lady Salamence said:
listen i scumread you for much the same reason you scumread me: neither of us have valid reasons
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I actually don’t scumread you that hard anymore, I thought that was established tbh. I said when my suspicions subsided during D1, and I haven’t actually gunned for you today at all nor am I voting you lol. You’re still floating in scum for me but I’d rather shoot a non-contributor (eg Toaster) today
 
And you’re floating in scum for basically valid reasons ie agreeing with BGB over everything all of D1, and the entrance particularly dealing with IIRC JALMONT which pinged me really hard. I guess the early vanilla stuff reads as dumbtelling
 
Like not the villager stuff, the “I just assumed everyone was vanilla” when that’s always announced everywhere if it’s the case. I’m just not quite over that yet because tbh there isn’t that much else to go off, this game state is stagnant because most people leading discussion highly feel like town lol
 
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