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NOC Two Mafias Mafia - Won by The Pack

a fairy said:
i think it's fair that in near mylo im not putting much stock into the game solving that my strongest scumread is doing
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I haven’t really interacted with you much this game which is kind of weird. Can you review my post last night re: mafia!celever and provide a counter argument showing that I am incorrect?
 
I really don't think the BGB role PM thing is the main thing I covered during the solving session this morning it was just something I noticed
 
i specifically said that it was the most convincing argument towards town!Celever but i can't ignore the fact that in my mind he's been acting like lover's dance celever and his role doesn't make a ton of sense to me
 
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Fuck it, I'm gonna compare everyone;s (except the people who are only on this sheet) sheet presences to past games.

So, that's:

Celever
Ehmcee
Hydro
Me
JALMONT
LS/a fairy
Psy
pulsar
realiti
Zippy

Let's start with the ones who are dead.

Note: This will not include data from WW Mafia, Vote and Veto, or JOAT 10, as WW's records are physical and begin on D2, Vote and Veto's sheet doesn't accurately represent the later parts of the game in my opinion (as in nearly everything after D1), and JOAT 10's sheet got deleted or something idk.

Ehmcee (Town):
This game (Town)
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Lover's Dance (Town)
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Popcorn Mafia 3 (Town)
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Assist Trophy (Scum)
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Okay chat, let's play spot the difference...

Hydro (Town):
This game (Town)
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Lover's Dance (Town) (Died in pre-dance)
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Popcorn Mafia 3 (Town)
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Assist Trophy (Town)
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each game he posts more lol

pulsar (Pack):
This game (Scum)
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Lover's Dance (Town)
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(Notably the first voted duo of the danec phase)

Popcorn 3 (Town)
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Pulsar is likely the player most affected by the disappearance of JOAT's sheet and low quality of VnV's, because this makes it look like she actually rolls town a good amount of the time.

Zippy (Town):
This game (Town)
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Lover's Dance (Scum)
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Popcorn Mafia 3 (Scum) (Subbed out D2)
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Assist Trophy (Town)
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Now let's get to the people who are actually capable of responding...

Celever:
This game (???)
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Lover's Dance (Scum)
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Popcorn Mafia 3 (Town)
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This is just blatant as fuck at this point.
Likely also affected a fair amount by the exclusions.

Me:
This game (???)
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Lover's Dance (Town)
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Sonic Mafia* (Town)
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Assist Trophy (Town)
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And for my next trick, watch as I have an existential crisis for all of two picoseconds!

*This game was on a different site.

JALMONT (Town):
This game (Town)
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Popcorn 3 (Scum) (D2 Sub)
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Assist Trophy (Town)
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I don't have too much to say here.

LS/fairy:
This game (???)
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Lover's Dance (Town)
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Popcorn Mafia 3 (Scum)
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Either I did something very wrong with my sheets in Lover's Dance and Popcorn or LS just doesn't tend to make reads as much as I thought she did.

Psy:
This game (???)
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Lover's Dance (Town)
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Popcorn Mafia 3 (Town)
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Interestingly, Psy's quantity of read posts is drastically greater than in both recorded town games.
Psypsypsypsypsythe said:
jalmont for the first time ill agree with you and say i definitely have been less engaged with this game.
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Less engaged my ass.

realiti:
ImaginaryNeon said:
Okay, here are the three games I have sheets for which include realiti (ignoring WW because I'm not gonna try to find where I put the journal with that...thing and then try to manually import it to Google Sheets).

This game (???)
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Assist Trophy (Town)
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Popcorn 3 (Scum)
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And what does this tell us?
Probably nothing.
But I'm gonna try to make some shit up so I don't feel like I wasted my time.

So, you see how in Popcorn 3, where he was scum, there were multiple D1 reads, then only one D2 read?
And how in Assist Trophy, where he was town, there were no reads on D1, but a shit ton (also known as five) on D2?
The timing of this game's reads seem closer to the former, at least for days 1 and 2. Day 3 throws a wrench into that, but I don't know if that really means much of anything because it came after the original post but I still gotta mention it.
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Edited the quoted post to be more accurate with newer information.
 

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JALMONT said:
I don’t really think the wording of bgb’s role clears you by any means.

Why did you vote toaster yesterday then?
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I told you already. He claimed tracker and then BPV yesterday which are reasonable roles and indicated he faked being tracker. Here he's claiming tracker + BPV and confirming his non results
 
Celever said:
JALMONT hasn’t been tunnelling Psy lol. This is one of the first games in a while where Psy has late game scumreads on him and I can’t tell if this overreaction is Psy being Psy or Psy being scum and thinking he had the game in the bag by shifting narrative to “all vts are just town” and then got frustrated when JALMONT threw a more intense spanner in the work than I did by lightly sussing him (though he overreacted to that too).

My real expectation is one scum in IPL/realiti which is probably IPL, and one scum in Psy/fairy (p sure it’s not Neon). My vote is on IPL bc I think it has highest chance of hitting scum but I’m open to either Psy or fairy, Psy might be edging out fairy in scum eq at this stage but that 50/50 is much more even
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I never said all vts are town
 
Idk I’m just trying to work with through what ipl’s plan was after bgb flipped. Why go through with changing your story and putting all that pressure on yourself. It’s just very clear lynchbait no? Like if I were ipl I would’ve just been like oh I tracked af nowhere or one of the VTs

Again the non charitable interpretation is ipl is being sloppy.
Psypsypsypsypsythe said:
even if celevers role is real and even if ipls role is real, that doesnt clear either of them right? either one can just have that role as scum cant they
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Nobody is giving scum a bpv

it would be extremely bizarre to give celever’s role to mafia
 
a fairy said:
i specifically said that it was the most convincing argument towards town!Celever but i can't ignore the fact that in my mind he's been acting like lover's dance celever and his role doesn't make a ton of sense to me
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I didn’t follow that game can you expand. Like what sort of things did he do in that game that made him successful?
 
Psypsypsypsypsythe said:
I mean it's not impossible given its multiball right? maybe they're both opposing scum even and they both have bpvs and that's like. a gimmick of the setup or something
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Sure I’d be okay with that at least for this vote because ipl is the likely vote lol. Getting celever after is probably impossible though lol.

what concerns me is could ipl and celever both be town? Probably not…
 
Psypsypsypsypsythe said:
idk how you could not recall this given we were both part of the villager clear
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Yeah that’s where my memory of you reading her ended besides being cognisant of the waffling you mentioned which means your read wasn’t totally stuck in the villager fiasco

I.E I didn’t know how hard it had swung from that starting point
 
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