actually true I guess it's not this simple in multifac lol
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NOC Two Mafias Mafia - Won by The Pack
- Thread starter Aura Guardian
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I mean I've said multiple times today that I would be open to a vote on Psy or fairy, just not realiti or Neon
though at this stage I would treat any attempt to suddenly shift things onto either of them with some cynicism since people have had all day to do this and they keep being nudged out of the conversation
probably sometime between 10pm and 10:30pm est ideally
I have no read on fairy and have already stated my views on psy
You have nothing to say whatsoever about realiti's silence on his supposed power role that can't be claimed?
Jalmont remember what I said about what it implies that the two others with most suspicion were banding against me? Currently it's 4v2 vote with only Jalmont supporting me. There's a 100% chance that 1 scum is voting me off and a decent chance both scum are voting me off if there's even the slightest chance of me being town. Not that other villagers are following Jalmont lead which is quite something in and of itself lol
I think his silence is silly but there are a number of reasons ways it comes from a town mindset, and there are a number of ways it comes from a scum mindset. I don't think refusal to claim is AI in its own right even at this stage.
The only nagging feeling is what I mentioned before about BGB's role IMO making the most sense alongside an ability cop and I guess realiti would be the likeliest person to hold that role, and that's a way in which realiti could foresee claiming being detrimental to his lifespan. At the same time, this probably isn't what's happening it is a very specific slippery slope logic I went through lol
Remember to think about this vote from the scum point of view. They need 100% to vote off a non scum today or else it will be 5 against 1. If Celever is BPV and I am also BPV we both know one of us is probably lying about faction. It is just exceedingly unlikely from any balance perspective that both scumteams have a BPV. I've even moved off of Celever today after Jalmont's post but he is still pressuring me very hard.
Even at this stage? When the math clearly shows this is mylo day?
TBF I do find it curious that it really is now 4v2 with Neon not voting. fairy's switch late on is interesting to me because you're right that it means that at least one scum is voting you with approx 100% certainty, because Neon and JALMONT are both town.
I'm gonna have to consider that more deeply lol, but it could always be the case that whatever scum is currently voting you is planning to switch later, or the last scum (if you are scum) just has a bad read and actually thinks you're town.
don't think this is entirely fair since I've tried to broaden the conversation to include Psy and fairy all day, TBF. just no one's bit. I also don't actually think from a pure game design perspective that both scumteams having a BPV is crazy, nor do I think town having 2 BPVs is that crazy either, and I've said the latter all along but no one's been receptive to that + the former is obviously not true because I'm town. I'm scumreading you for behavioural reasons rather than mechanical for the most part.
Yeah, I think there's still a feasible reason not to claim from both town and scum POVs, in niche scenarios. And this game has overall niche roles (the only like, normal roles so far have been jailkeeper or on scum)
I could be convinced to do realiti or celever. no one has explained why we shouldn't just sleep though
realiti explained why not when JALMONT first broached the topic but idr exactly what he said. JALMONT said "fair enough" and then voted someone, though.
I've been scumreading you for the opposite reason, game mechanics over behavior. Both scumteams having a BPV is crazy like I said because it can very easily come down to coin tosses determining games. You don't think that would be bad game design? I find that even less plausible than town having two BPVs.
vote sleep
I don't think I understand how BPVs existing makes a multifac like this more coinflippy. If anything it makes it a bit less, because if a scumteam gets their BPV to the end while the other one doesn't get their BPV to the end you can argue the former strategised better than the latter with who they were gonna make their deep wolf and who they were gonna make do damage (usually in mafia with a 2-person scumteam I'd say opposite playstyles like this are optimal).
Like obviously that's not what is happening in this game but I think it's coherent game design, for sure. Although Ehmcee's role probably makes it less coherent in this game to the point I'd argue Ehmcee's role would be negative equity usually (though it can still be used to thin the LHF pool at worst), I can understand why people have considered it an option
This post is aimed at fairy specifically because I'm getting off soon to do real life stuff and won't be on for several hours. I will be back before end of day again but it's likely we'll miss each other so this is my final persuasion post just for you.
Prior to one member of each scum team dying every single user in this game except you has attacked me at some point. You only started attacking my believability after both scum teams lost a member. Think about how I could have any connection to pulsar or bgb. I wouldn't have let pulsar make the mistake of claiming cop in a two scum team game and we would be claiming double investigative on same team (and would a scum team even have two investigative roles?) BGB attacked me day 1 and left his vote on me. I am also the last claimed town with a night role so good luck figuring out all those villagers if one of the claimed villagers then without any night roles to go on. Of course I could be appealing to scum too lol so we'll see how this goes.
holup
The fact that you're advocating to let scum kill off two townies for free is so awful
why wouldn't we want two free flips?
this should have them both in it
the scum pool is wide enough that itd be plenty useful
