Tera should not be banned
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Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v3
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Quick question, but how many more Suspect Tests are we going to do before DLC2 drops?
Ngl that’s gotta be firmly in the gif hall of fame by now, Community was such a memeable show
Anyway what are our thoughts on boots wake in the current meta, with flip turn and knock off it can do a good job of baiting in and punishing its own switch ins and with surf it can ohko standard defensive gliscor, while scald can threaten burns on regular water switches, with the exception of oger-w which will take over 70 from a draco
did blissey receive any buffs during the dlc that caused her rise in usage?
if not, does that mean that was underrated this whole time?
It got Heal Bell back (I forget if it was with DLC or just the Home update) but yeah, it’s the same fat special sponge it’s always been and is now the only available cleric.
What on Earth happened in one afternoon goodness me.
Anyway, I tilted myself from mid 1500s ladder (new high for me woo) to 1100s ladder and I thought, hey, I'm this low on the ladder so maybe I should try my luck with Garganacl again, why not?
Maybe its because its been UU for a while, but ladder at range is hilariously underprepared for the Sp. Def Curse/Recover/Salt Cure/Body Press set.
I am not sure if I should stick with Curse or go Iron Defense though.
Anyway, I tilted myself from mid 1500s ladder (new high for me woo) to 1100s ladder and I thought, hey, I'm this low on the ladder so maybe I should try my luck with Garganacl again, why not?
Maybe its because its been UU for a while, but ladder at range is hilariously underprepared for the Sp. Def Curse/Recover/Salt Cure/Body Press set.
I am not sure if I should stick with Curse or go Iron Defense though.
When Home support dropped, Blissey was able to get Heal Bell if you transferred one from Gen 8, but now with the release of Chimecho, you can simply Mirror Herb breed with it.
Garganacl is still pretty strong, but he’s forced to run a defensive tera because of Ogerpon water, which have SD, power whip and ivy Cudgel. Garganacl need just a bit support and fit perfectly on balance
Garganacl is the kind of mon that almost completely requires to tera, but if you can build a team with that in mind it is a hell of a monster. It kinda reminds me of tera flying specs thundurus t. I have said it before - I honest to god think it is busted, but people don't pick it up because it is boring as hell
Oh, we’re back? Alright then.
Skeledirge seems like a solid mon to run atm with Roaring Moon gone and Iron Moth rising a bit. Yeah, Kingambit, Gliscor and Gholdengo are still around to give it trouble, but in the case that two or more of those end up leaving OU I could see Dirge rising to OU again.
Skeledirge seems like a solid mon to run atm with Roaring Moon gone and Iron Moth rising a bit. Yeah, Kingambit, Gliscor and Gholdengo are still around to give it trouble, but in the case that two or more of those end up leaving OU I could see Dirge rising to OU again.
Rillaboom. It did not care about the Grassy Glide nerf, even after it was nerfed twice. But what made Rillaboom overcome it's artificial nerf?
1: Better allies
Rillaboom loves Sneasler. Sneasler in Grassy Terrain can hit a physical defensiveness of 70885 (Offensive Tusk is 110558 for comparison) which allows it to live a wide variety of physical hits and set a Swords Dance. After one turn, Sneasler has become a monster with 788 attack and 678 speed. With Acrobatics and Shadow Claw, not many offensive pokemon can survive it's attacks.
500 Stored Power Sweepers of SV: +20 BP on their stored to start with, and extra bulk with weakened EQ and free leftovers to spam calm mind with ease.
Kingambit: Imagine Kingambit with Poison Heal at the same time. That's Kingambit in Grassy Terrain with Leftovers. Scary asf mon.
2: Tera
Rillaboom is crazy with Tera, you 2hko bulky Wood Hammer resists like Slowking Galar and heal off the recoil, while still providing your team with support. Tera Grassy Glide is also a potent revenge killing option.
1: Better allies
Rillaboom loves Sneasler. Sneasler in Grassy Terrain can hit a physical defensiveness of 70885 (Offensive Tusk is 110558 for comparison) which allows it to live a wide variety of physical hits and set a Swords Dance. After one turn, Sneasler has become a monster with 788 attack and 678 speed. With Acrobatics and Shadow Claw, not many offensive pokemon can survive it's attacks.
500 Stored Power Sweepers of SV: +20 BP on their stored to start with, and extra bulk with weakened EQ and free leftovers to spam calm mind with ease.
Kingambit: Imagine Kingambit with Poison Heal at the same time. That's Kingambit in Grassy Terrain with Leftovers. Scary asf mon.
2: Tera
Rillaboom is crazy with Tera, you 2hko bulky Wood Hammer resists like Slowking Galar and heal off the recoil, while still providing your team with support. Tera Grassy Glide is also a potent revenge killing option.
Not Blissey herself, but stall got a massive buff with Clefable and Gliscor being released, and the archetype as a whole rose dramatically in usage and viability, and if stall rises Blissey rises. I didn't play stall before DLC1 but it was definitely around, there were a couple good teams floating around. It's not really that Blissey was underrated, more that the type of teams Blissey tends to be on are more consistent now than ever before
Stall is also inherently underrepresented in usage statistics which is a lot of why certain stall mons (like quagsire) are viable in every above tier in some gens but never actually rise. Stall slows down the game, stall players take longer to complete games, longer games means less games, less games mean less usage. For any stall pokemon, it would be more accurate to imagine them as having significantly higher usage than what the stats say.
Yes this Mon is boring, yes salt cure is boring, but we can’t disapprove that he’s good, his rock typing make him less good, imagine if he had a steel-water type, coupled with his wonderful ability, he will be send to uber, thundurus spec tera flying is exactly the same situation, he just don’t have a good flying move lol
Garganacl being steel-water type would be particularly problematic considering that would mean the best check to garganacl is garganacl's own salt cure
To all the pro gliscor people: what kinda weed ur hazard controllers smoking? Cuz all mine got fucking poisoned by the sheer amount of salt the scorpion generated
Iron Defense, definitely. Salt Cure shouldn't be your main attacking move, and ID lets you get up to max damage with Body Press faster. Idk if Speed matters in any matchups tho.
Or yknow… this. Who needs real hazard control in the lower reaches of the tier where genuinely anything goes?
(Disclaimer: I know this is just one example and is not necessarily representative lol)
On a more serious note, HO players generally don’t care as much about (non-sticky web) hazards going up on their side and as such often run Glimmora as a suicide setter/spinner in lieu of any long-term removal. Gliscor is much more oppressive to balance/bulky offensive structures which absolutely struggle against it as they lack long-term removal options to deal with the spikes bat.
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