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Sam is trying to claim town cred for the Rostam push a bit too actively for my liking, I can see why it’d happen but it’s giving 3p. Also don’t like how Blazade singled out Sam as the super clear coming out of yesterday I feel like Sam has taken the better line of argument with that which is the wagon is a somewhat all or nothing deal.
I disagree with Sam a bit too, anyway, especially in application of the line of argument. Not giving a fairy her full flowers is bad, and also not contending with the actual cost-benefit of trying to save Rostam given threadstate is bad. If Rostam didn’t get voted out yesterday then I expect he would have got voted out today at the absolute latest, being an ardent defender of Rostam is a pretty big cost once he flips compared to a pretty tiny benefit of like maybe one more misvote before Rostam dies but you catch a bunch of avoidable heat yourself by defending him.
Blazade looks great coming out of the vote, and him casing Rostam is what sentenced Rostam to death. Who out of everyone else was naturally convinced or went “you know what I doubt we can argue this” and bussed is up for debate. Considering Rostam pretty much disappeared, I doubt others on the mafia team persevered much once he’d seemingly given up himself. Only posts I remember from him yesterday were sussing Sam.
I disagree with Sam a bit too, anyway, especially in application of the line of argument. Not giving a fairy her full flowers is bad, and also not contending with the actual cost-benefit of trying to save Rostam given threadstate is bad. If Rostam didn’t get voted out yesterday then I expect he would have got voted out today at the absolute latest, being an ardent defender of Rostam is a pretty big cost once he flips compared to a pretty tiny benefit of like maybe one more misvote before Rostam dies but you catch a bunch of avoidable heat yourself by defending him.
Blazade looks great coming out of the vote, and him casing Rostam is what sentenced Rostam to death. Who out of everyone else was naturally convinced or went “you know what I doubt we can argue this” and bussed is up for debate. Considering Rostam pretty much disappeared, I doubt others on the mafia team persevered much once he’d seemingly given up himself. Only posts I remember from him yesterday were sussing Sam.
For this reason btw I’m feeling better about realiti, he either straight up open wolfed at deadline or was just wrong. I could see it going either way but on the bulk of it I think his moment of madness was fuelled by frustration with threadstate rather than some kind of agenda
It's weird, I was literally about to bring this up in response to your Zippy vote and then you did it yourself. Does a scum Zippy put more effort into saving Rostam than Rostam does?
Ehmcee votes + sus are deeply bad btw he just locked himself into a particular shot and followed through on it, hero shooting is historically disliked and a fear of half the game saying “you said you’d shoot pulsar why tf didn’t you imma vote you” is real regardless of alignment.
pulsar was the first / 2nd place wagon 2 days in a row, she was obviously town in my opinion but she was an objectively good shot because half the game was frozen on her
pulsar was the first / 2nd place wagon 2 days in a row, she was obviously town in my opinion but she was an objectively good shot because half the game was frozen on her
When I was Zippy’s partner he basically tried to get me voted out until he realised there was no shot of him winning solo because he kinda blew it. Do I think Zippy thinks he can be a surviving mafia member given the game so far? Nah not really, so based on precedent I’d argue this fits his scum game.
Overall I don’t think that’s why he’s a good vote though, more so the extreme tunnelling via throwing out reasons he clearly didn’t come to as reasons through solving in his own mind considering he entered today playing against his own arguments (IIRC I’ll be honest I read most of today intermittently on smoke / childcare breaks I should probably reread D3 but I went to the gym and am tired lol)
I guess this isn’t completely analogous because I also tried to save myself throughout but there’s definitely a through line there
I don't sus Emcee especially after seeing his pulsar vote was before the Rostam case (thanks fairy), and after he owned up to the shot, but I will content that it was an objectively good shot. If Rostam flips town I have no problem with it, but Mafia Robleblocker was perhaps the exact flip that should cause you to apply even a little bit of critical thinking to. How often is it a S/S wagon?
Emcee was the one who I had a protracted conversation with about Pulsar's roleblock flavor, I know we talked about this. So if he sees that flavor on flipped mafia he should know that pulsar isn't on that team. I get that he thinks it's 3p but it being an "objectively" good shot is really not the wording I'd use
You can just tell the truth next time, say that you had second thoughts after we flipped mafia, and I would have both believed and praised you for that.
I mean I think all this is fair, when I said objectively good shot I more so meant “looking at it as just numbers instead of in full context of who’s involved etc.”. 9 times out of 10 if someone’s a lead wagon two days in a row and is still alive, the vig should be shooting them to keep the gamestate fluid.
Obviously pulsar isn’t a shot I would have taken myself regardless of flip, but I guess I’d argue there isn’t a good candidate for a collative “pro-town” shot to replace pulsar at that time. AG would have been the best one but Ehmcee individually townreads AG pretty hard I believe, and I think the second best replacement is distant enough that the line of argument of “Ehmcee is hero shooting based just on his reads” applies to anyone.
All this is to say I think the case on Ehmcee was bad faith but we mostly seem to agree on that anyway, or at least that Ehmcee is town, still. I think it was just a bad spot for Ehmcee to be in and toeing the line is probably something that mostly happens from a town mindset. But yeah insofar as subjective = qualitative which is how I tend to (mis?)use the terms it was a bad shot lol
Staying the line, whatever, I’m tired
I think Blazade would’ve but I don’t think others would’ve lmaoI don't think you would've
LOL
Any thoughts on your next shot?I don't think you would've
Let me think about this more but first impression is we have enough to go off of from the D2 vote that keeping our role power secret for a bit longer is optimal.
I think by tomorrow I’m more likely to lean towards rather than against massclaim, though. And I don’t think it’s out of the question for today either, just my gut reaction says there is power in having the village roles be unknown / not letting the scum play around them.
Out of the Pulsar voters, who do you think is most / least likely scum Blazade? (Also anyone else can answer this). I haven’t had time to iso anyone but off the top of my head Celever looks awful in retrospect and Ehmcee’s claim is bothering me due to the lack of kills and the flavor.
Celever where you at buddy. Who do you wanna vote / push today?
I think it's possible but you are a bit more scummy than Skipper. It's possible my read was wrong too, since I thought pulsar was spewed scum since I was on them the entire time.
vote Celever
I think there's a good chance it's him, here. He's become increasingly detached as the game has progressed and I think he has the right perspective and disposition to be a scumbuddy with Rostam. The PoE is shrinking a lot, especially for teams of 3 that would assign a kill to Rostam or choose to shoot Jalmont independently of that.
The entrance today really rubbed me the wrong way though, and it matches a pattern from Day 2 and from the scumgames I've watched. Town Celever is a maverick, who wants to be a hero and push his own reads and prove that they are the best. Scum Celever focuses on what is "objectively" correct, and is quicker to push compromise lynches. If Town Celever Day 2 doesn't like my Rostam push, wouldn't he fight over it more? Build a case against his real gut scumread?
I can't stick around I still have more prep to do but I'll be back in a couple hours to follow up.
I think there's a good chance it's him, here. He's become increasingly detached as the game has progressed and I think he has the right perspective and disposition to be a scumbuddy with Rostam. The PoE is shrinking a lot, especially for teams of 3 that would assign a kill to Rostam or choose to shoot Jalmont independently of that.
The entrance today really rubbed me the wrong way though, and it matches a pattern from Day 2 and from the scumgames I've watched. Town Celever is a maverick, who wants to be a hero and push his own reads and prove that they are the best. Scum Celever focuses on what is "objectively" correct, and is quicker to push compromise lynches. If Town Celever Day 2 doesn't like my Rostam push, wouldn't he fight over it more? Build a case against his real gut scumread?
I can't stick around I still have more prep to do but I'll be back in a couple hours to follow up.
Literally none LMAO
Yeah I don’t think shooting pulsar was a bad move. More problematic for me with your role is the flavor + general lack of kills, but you’re never the vote here. If you’re bad then we will see from the night results over time.I don't think you would've
Also I definitely didn’t see this whole page of Celever posts when I made my last one asking where he was lmao. Mb on that and also I need to head out for the afternoon but I’ll catch up tonight.
I mean I explained my mindset yesterday wrt Rostam and I’m tired today so I don’t think this applies really. I entertained other options enough yesterday that Sam accused me and fairy of openly orchestrating a stealth on him LMAO
I probably agree that I have become increasingly detached from the game on a level but not on another level, I don’t think yesterday was all that fun because it was very static and I’ve done what I can to shake the game up while yeah, being aware of the fact that Rostam was gonna die and I was fine with but not a supporter of that (so I didn’t hard push against it). I know ISOing me is a pain but I think this is a results-based analysis instead of an analysis of what actually went on. I foresaw that even if Rostam hit we’d be entering today with few or bad leads and I think that’s v much played out tbf
At this stage I would probably prefer to massclaim now actually, I mean the mafia roleblocker is dead I doubt the mafia team has that much more way to play around it. Strike while the iron’s hot and fewer flips have happened so there’s more chance of CCs IMO
Looking at the quote, looks like Sam brought up massclaim, but Celever wants to move up the timetable? I'm a bit leery of that given my sus on Celever.