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Like sure, Zippy, Ehmcee could be mafia and have shot pulsar. And then I have to be mafia and I pretend that the mafia cracked my BPV. And even though neither of us know who or what the 3p is in this scenario we concoct this extremely elaborate hour long D3 conversation about all of this, inventing host flavor that could easily come up later to convince everyone. And we have to keep the lie going for like 3 more cycles concocting ridiculous stories about how the kills make sense. And I bussed the shit out of Rostam. And there's no town vig to CC Ehmcee.

This is just one example of the kind of ridiculous low probability stuff that gets floated in games like these as tinfoiling.
 
Aura Guardian said:
Anyone else, thoughts on switching to Celever over skipper?
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I posted about this a while ago, but I prefer a Skipper vote to a Celever vote.

Similarities between them:
- Skipper voted Pulsar over Rostam and Celever was active lurking / defending Rostam though he avoided actually voting on it I think (can’t reference actual vote count due to being on phone but if he was an actual voter then this is even more of a similarity)
- both have had consistently bad reads imo, and haven’t been interacting in good faith with a lot of arguments made

Differences:
- Skipper voted for Pulsar (confirmed town) on D1. Celever voted for Skipper. This implies that Celever / Skipper is unlikely to be a scum team and that Skipper guaranteed pushed to vote out the now-revealed town tracker, while Celever defended said tracker. This looks good for Celever relative to Skipper.
- Celever has made more cogent arguments / insights in his own right, and in the event he is village I do think it’d be a bigger loss (I.e. the downside of voting Skipper is a lot lower imo). This looks good for Celever relative to Skipper.
- Celever made some comments about being frustrated that Rostam got found out / framed, when in retrospect it seems like the Jalmont bread crumb reasoning may have been pure luck and not an actual role interaction. Skipper hasn’t made any such hard scumtells outside of his godawful OMGUSing and general inability to communicate with logic today. This looks good for Skipper relative to Celever.

So yeah, I think there’s pros and cons but overall I lean towards voting Skipper here. I also personally just think Skipper is mafia here but that’s a soul read just based on how desperate he has seemed and his general attitude of not caring to help game solve but only care about rallying support to save himself. I understand full well that noob town are capable of acting this way too (as are 3p), so it’s nothing hard and fast. However, the way he is going about it just strikes me as off - often when noob town are being voted there’s a sense of righteous indignation about their posting (similar to what Zippy’s posts have felt like today, actually). I’m not getting any of that from Skipper.

So yeah, my votes staying on Skipper at least for now. But I don’t think it’s incorrect to vote Celever.
 
UncleSam said:
I’ve not seen as much as I’d want out of Neon or AG, and Ehmcee I feel like is here but not saying much. Finally realiti your posts have made the most sense to me outside of Blazade so can you post some more about Celever vs Skipper vs Zippy. Sorry if I missed stuff it’s been a long day at work and my brain is fried.
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Skipper: In my previous games, he was erratic/tunnelly as town and scared/lurky as scum. This phase in particular, he seems to be in his town meta and I feel like a lot of his confidence + behavior is hard to be faked as mafia. I can't put him above people like Blazade/you/AG who are almost always non-mafia just off the vote, or HH (my town soulread), but I'd be surprised if skipper flips scum and it would definitely be the best game he's played on this site imo.

Zippy: Reading Zippy is pretty hard, I townleaned him D1/D2 because we shared similar reads and I thought pulsar had a good chance of flipping scum. And his read (and skipper's as well) on me is accurate so I give that town points even if it could be a pocket. Nothing really stood out to be scummy in particular before the Rostam flip. But last scumgame I played with him he wanted to save our teammate, and while he didn't directly vouch for Rostam, him going for Pulsar > Rostam makes him look worse (although the same could be applied for me). And I wouldn't say anything he did earlier was particularly towny, it was just...Zippy being Zippy, which is hard to read. For his D3 behavior, I would say his negativity and tone is honestly fine but I think the PoE is just pretty slim at this point so he has an above rand chance of flipping scum. And I'd feel better flipping Zippy then a good portion of the PL.

Celever: I think Celever is the best vote out of these three people. I did flipflop a bit on him early D2 but I disliked the fact that he didn't seem to care about the result of the vote (and actively pointed it out) and I definitely think that's a scumtell. Celever is the type of player who fights hard as both alignments so I don't see his high postcount + constant replies as anything AI, but I just think that the PoE is pretty small, and while he did have some genuine posts earlier in the game I can't really townclear him off those because he's had just as many posts that rub me the wrong way.

Skipper does not seem like the player who would bus and fake arguments in a very genuine way so I feel like if he is scum, it's not with Celever and Zippy. For Zippy, I don't know his scum dynamic with Celever if they were theoretically a team (I know they were previously partners in a game that I wasn't in), maybe they would bus here maybe they wouldn't. The situation would be pretty dire for them right now if they were a team.
 
UncleSam said:
I posted about this a while ago, but I prefer a Skipper vote to a Celever vote.

Similarities between them:
- Skipper voted Pulsar over Rostam and Celever was active lurking / defending Rostam though he avoided actually voting on it I think (can’t reference actual vote count due to being on phone but if he was an actual voter then this is even more of a similarity)
- both have had consistently bad reads imo, and haven’t been interacting in good faith with a lot of arguments made

Differences:
- Skipper voted for Pulsar (confirmed town) on D1. Celever voted for Skipper. This implies that Celever / Skipper is unlikely to be a scum team and that Skipper guaranteed pushed to vote out the now-revealed town tracker, while Celever defended said tracker. This looks good for Celever relative to Skipper.
- Celever has made more cogent arguments / insights in his own right, and in the event he is village I do think it’d be a bigger loss (I.e. the downside of voting Skipper is a lot lower imo). This looks good for Celever relative to Skipper.
- Celever made some comments about being frustrated that Rostam got found out / framed, when in retrospect it seems like the Jalmont bread crumb reasoning may have been pure luck and not an actual role interaction. Skipper hasn’t made any such hard scumtells outside of his godawful OMGUSing and general inability to communicate with logic today. This looks good for Skipper relative to Celever.

So yeah, I think there’s pros and cons but overall I lean towards voting Skipper here. I also personally just think Skipper is mafia here but that’s a soul read just based on how desperate he has seemed and his general attitude of not caring to help game solve but only care about rallying support to save himself. I understand full well that noob town are capable of acting this way too (as are 3p), so it’s nothing hard and fast. However, the way he is going about it just strikes me as off - often when noob town are being voted there’s a sense of righteous indignation about their posting (similar to what Zippy’s posts have felt like today, actually). I’m not getting any of that from Skipper.

So yeah, my votes staying on Skipper at least for now. But I don’t think it’s incorrect to vote Celever.
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I’m trying to solve the game but no one will listen to me
 
is the consensus really that mafia tried to save rostam...? surely you abandon that by the time where celever/realiti etc were supposed to have been trying to figure out non-rostam wagons
 
I think tigershark and fairy still have scum equity but I don't think they'll get voted today and I haven't ISOed their posts to have confident reads on them, it's just something that's been on my mind D2/D3. Fairy I townread but they're good enough to fake content and I historically can't read them that well. Not gonna lie some of tiger's catchup posts feel kinda fake but it might just also be his tone and playstyle that's irking me, and everybody feels like they're being genuine so I'm just going to sheep other's peoples read on them for now.

My best guess would be that the scumteam is Celever + someone who I have incorrectly townread, 3p can be a lot of people tbh
 
Also, has Celever bothered pushing HH a single time D3? For somebody who felt the need to plant their vote on HH D2 when they clearly weren't a viable option, I don't see any effort in getting them voted off today
 
realiti said:
Also, has Celever bothered pushing HH a single time D3? For somebody who felt the need to plant their vote on HH D2 when they clearly weren't a viable option, I don't see any effort in getting them voted off today
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No, that is odd

Now that I have 24 hours, I’ll try to find Sam’s scumpartner cause no one will vote Sam
 
Celever said:
I mean I explained my mindset yesterday wrt Rostam and I’m tired today so I don’t think this applies really. I entertained other options enough yesterday that Sam accused me and fairy of openly orchestrating a stealth on him LMAO

I probably agree that I have become increasingly detached from the game on a level but not on another level, I don’t think yesterday was all that fun because it was very static and I’ve done what I can to shake the game up while yeah, being aware of the fact that Rostam was gonna die and I was fine with but not a supporter of that (so I didn’t hard push against it). I know ISOing me is a pain but I think this is a results-based analysis instead of an analysis of what actually went on. I foresaw that even if Rostam hit we’d be entering today with few or bad leads and I think that’s v much played out tbf
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TBH I was confused why the scumteam was so willing to just let their mafia roleblocker die, so I was thinking it could be AFKs/apathetic people (aka tiger/fairy) on the team instead of someone like Celever. But I wonder if Celever just convinced himself that Rostam was going to die the entire phase even though pulsar was a viable option and that's why there was seemingly no effort to save Rostam (Although he townread pulsar so scum!celever couldnt have pivoted to that vote anyways)
 
a fairy said:
is the consensus really that mafia tried to save rostam...? surely you abandon that by the time where celever/realiti etc were supposed to have been trying to figure out non-rostam wagons
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Yeah I think there’s some hard echo chamber spiralling happening
 
realiti said:
Also, has Celever bothered pushing HH a single time D3? For somebody who felt the need to plant their vote on HH D2 when they clearly weren't a viable option, I don't see any effort in getting them voted off today
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I’ll be honest, has Hydro posted today or? I might have forgot he’s in the game in favour of active stimuli :worrycargo:
 
i was asked to vote so i am voting. i made it clear earlier today the list of people i would like to vote based on who i think is scum. i am selecting the person i would most like to vote because there was very little interfacing with my thoughts when i made them, and the major discussions have revolved around people i am not strongly considering to vote.

vote zippydoo200

this likely wont be where i end the cycle on but my vote's now placed at least UncleSam as you requested. i am going into dnd in 20 minutes and i hope to not look at smogon until tomorrow morning
 
And people were talking about the game being town-sided, i'm not sure what roles everybody has but unless 3p gets voted out early i always feel like these 3 faction games are scumsided, if 3p has a nk it's just so hard for town to deal with
 
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