To say this would imply I have a textbook
I've been scum once ever, plus I haven't even posted a read list the entire game
Also yeah, d1 vigi claim helps
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To say this would imply I have a textbook
I've been scum once ever, plus I haven't even posted a read list the entire game
Also yeah, d1 vigi claim helps
Using my mayor.
Also just pointing out the difference this game is just that… I haven’t had a lockscum read yet, so with where I’m currently at I’ve mainly been having to defend obvtown against imo bad sus (pulsar, fairy, skipper), or pushing good votes that thin a better PoE but yeah out of that PoE I don’t care that much who leaves.
Like you’re asking me to do something that would make no sense this game. I also led 2 and a half wagons so far (AG which flamed out and then later co-led skipper, and now Zippy) so even though my tone is detached because that’s kind of how I feel rn, the idea I’m cruising and not pushing my opinions is def not accurate. Because to be fair I also do that when I’m mafia I don’t really take a low profile in these games ever.
Like you’re asking me to do something that would make no sense this game. I also led 2 and a half wagons so far (AG which flamed out and then later co-led skipper, and now Zippy) so even though my tone is detached because that’s kind of how I feel rn, the idea I’m cruising and not pushing my opinions is def not accurate. Because to be fair I also do that when I’m mafia I don’t really take a low profile in these games ever.
Place a vote bestie
I don't think you need to activate mayor until later in the phase because votes can change to one person having majority? Unless you need to submit your mayor early isn't it better to hold?
I agree that that isn't the only reason you'd become detached. I don't necessarily believe that the alternatives you provided ARE the reasons you became detached.
Players that are good at communication with reasonable scumgames can justify what they're doing and come up with consistent narratives. I almost don't even really read (I mean, I read everything, but don't consider important) a lot of the actual text coming from good players like you and Sam and just focus on what you do, combining that with any mechanical information I have.
I’m assuming he can’t unsubmit lol
I don't think you can claim credit for defending obvtown skipper against bad sus when you were literally that person...
I co-led the D1 skipper wagon when he still hadn’t posted anything lol different to now
Yeah I agree that this is a better way of reading these types of people
tigershark/genius1 pls post reads or did scumchat tell you not to, if so who?
or tell us ur 3p so we don’t worry abt you
I’m less and less sure that Tiger is town here
or tell us ur 3p so we don’t worry abt you
I’m less and less sure that Tiger is town here
And at the time this was a bit of a consensus wagon following the announce-AG debacle where there was at least a few people considering moving already. My original point wasn't that you stop pushing wagons, it's that you're more likely to push consensus or compromise wagons as scum.
I already know that it's impossible to vote you without getting into a literally infinite argument with you lmao.
Preach
I mean I agree I could spin a town narrative on pretty much anything I do after the fact as scum, it’s why I tend not to go into detailed defence of myself in general because it’s kinda meaningless but it feels necessary with this specific line of argument lol. I think spinning that town narrative essentially live / while it’s happening, especially when doing something that is a pretty bad play (Rostam was a dead man walking, not full sending a bus on that is open wolfing at best for super small gain) is both a skill I have much less, and also something I would just not do as mafia lol. I have no qualms bussing a teammate, never have and never will, and your case on my mentality is that I got dispirited because I couldn’t be flashy and bus my teammate… but I could have done? I just didn’t; because they’re not my teammate lol.
I can. Haven't unsubmitted yet.
This is the weirdest mayor setup—
I had enough faith in town not to let the wagon tie twice LMAO, but I was also active at deadline and said if someone voted pulsar I’d vote Rostam, I just didn’t have to.
My read on Rostam was I townleaned them mainly through semi-consistent mindmelding, but looking only at their disappearance in the latter half of D2 + the mechanic argument by Blazade made it a probably 50/50 whether they were scum or not
Currently tinfoiling Sam / AG scumteam considering Sam is the only person in the entire game to think AG would be able to unsubmit and he treated it as so obvious he couldn’t see where everyone else was coming from when they were like “mayors don’t do that”
GG
I don't think you thought he was a dead man walking until you argued with me for a bit, that equivocating my saying Jalmont was jusy the nightkill would be enough. And indeed, many townies didn't necessarily believe my case was airtight. Indeed, I may even have gotten lucky from a mechanics perspective if Hooker is below Martyr in priority.
And i think by finding the post myself I robbed you of bus credit. I know you bus, I've told you as much. You bus in flashier, decisive ways, either breaking flashwagon ties or being tbe first to really build a case. Neither of those were possible with Rostam which I think did put you in a slightly awkward spot.
technically, it's more of cancelling. By day, I can cancel using my mayor, just like someone with a night action can change their choice as long as there hasn't been an update.
I mean, I think bussing your partner is inherently flashy I genuinely don’t think being flashier than that is of particular benefit. I may be an inherently flashy player as either faction, but “bussing the person” is the move and that’s what would feed my ego if successful, not “bussing the person in the most extravagant way possible”.
And actually I’d never build a case from scratch against a scumbud just to bus them. I think that’s just misplaying unless they’re literally outed and you’re sure town will realise that soon. I guess that ironically kind of applies to Rostam and I v much didn’t do that this game lol.
Prob worth a reread but IIRC I called him being a dead man walking super early into the day, it was certainly where my mindset was at. It was certainly before responding to your post with the maths which is I think what you’re referring to here.
