Playerlist:
SKIPPERGAMEZ -> IMPERFECTLUCK
DUSKFALL98
Town (if you vote any of these I'm gonna flame you in graveyard and postgame still ranked by how much though)
Laurel
Ehmcee
joey
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a fairy
realiti
Top 3 are Just Town, bottom 2 are playing very well if they are scum which is feasible for both of them. Neither should be on the ballot paper for a long ass time but the PoE gets exhausted somehow then these are the 2 to look at.
Townlean
Psy - he probably is town but I'm not towncoring him yet bc I think he's been somewhat playing anti-town so far, but I also have very high hopes today for him to break out of the scumcore
Etay - tbf the inverse of what I was saying yesterday about people hard pushing convo onto Etay instead of tiger as the inactive vote rings true in the inverse, which is that it does give Etay some considerable town points, even though tiger was town. Enough to bump him above null despite the dearth of his own posting. JALMONT please sub Etay out thanks.
Scumlean
Emerald - Overall like his posting, the odd thing has seemed very presumptuous (forcing convo onto Etay during inactive vote, hipshooting massclaim today) and he did charge me, which most of the game agrees 2-3 scum probably did. Specific phrasing of it "caught in 4k" is a joke but I can't shake the feeling it also means slightly more LOL
IPL - Really disagree with his D2 posting and most of his EoD1 posting. It seems like he entered thread with a specific agenda in mind and really did not interact with the good faith responses to him. Like he responded to everyone that said "massclaim is a bad idea" but ignored everyone saying "this is a conversation we have already had, we decided not to on D1 but probably on D2 so we have a night of results, doing it an hour before deadline where a lot of players aren't here gives scum a huge night advantage". I just don't think it's feasible he only read the easiest posts to respond to during EoD, and I'm also surprised that he is like ignoring all of my posts to him today, and surprised that he's entering the thread hard pushing me when he knows that he missed a lot of D1 and as much as I respect him not catching up on reading, I'm surprised that he's not asking people questions in order to catch up second-hand. The fact that he just so happens to be pushing the one person who I'm p sure scum also pushed all of yesterday and started pushing again today, but has limited info on what happened in the game and then is not interfacing with counterarguments to that, is scummy to me sorry. Probably the easiest slot to move up.
pulsar - like yeah she could be scum and she's a good scum player nowadays in terms of her thread presence seeming towny. Also voted to charge me which see Emerald bio without the specific phrasing. What Psy has pointed out with her before "at some point you need to realise town should keep things secret this is a consistent problem for you" made me realise that pulsar very feasibly is in scum chat like "yeah I can fish for info I always do it dw no one's gonna care" especially given how many times towny players have told her to stop.
Scum
Tommy - See, the thing is is I really hate when players get pushed because "they should be playing better than they are, look at him it's Tommy!", but there are specific instances where I feel he's been cornered and then backpedaled on an objectively bad move. The main thing that stands out to me is when he was hard pushing for the people who voted for me to out that they voted for me, and specifically he phrased it in an offensive manner "if he doesn't have 4 votes we just vote Cel out" sort of thing. I had to hammer home openly stating that I understood the problem with this plan twice before he said "I see the issue too" and that was a while after he came up with the plan. Then Ehmcee just said it for us and the entire strategy died completely. I think his entrance D2 is really bad, I expect Tommy to have far more insightful contribution than his D2 entrance which "idk Celever's still scum but I'm not giving any reasons why ok bye" especially because Tommy missed most of EoD, EoD was a huge bulk of dense content, and yeah I expect him to have caught up on it lol. Not having any real contribution coming out of this D1 isn't valid, especially since he's been one of the proponents of "this game's had loads of useful content from the start" but his actual read breadth has been very very narrow according to Neon's sheet:
Tommy's reads based on the sheet are:
Town (on their own)
realiti - went scum then back to town in the bad #776
Psy - (once, right at the start of the game, basically said to defuse the argument with Psy and not really as a read in its own right)
Emerald
Neon - (said as a response to Neon pointing out Tommy having terrible progression on realiti, to defuse the situation and get back in Neon's good books probably)
pulsar - (solely piggybacking on the idea to vote Laurel, who at last count Tommy was townreading. pulsar didn't case Laurel or anything, this is just a complete mind shift with 0 progression, that progression provided after the fact with Laurel "going in too hard on being apathetic" which is exactly what he townread him for before).
joey - basically townread joey based off of mine and joey's interaction. Reads like him trying to consolidate joey's vote on + scumread of me more than anything else. Only independent opinion Tommy gave on joey that wasn't specifically to do with that was when he said joey's first reads post was a "good" post, but not in a towny sense, just in a game sense. Didn't really justify joey being towny at all.
So this seems like a nice breadth of reads in a way, and Tommy did the same thing that all of realiti, Laurel, and I later did where we proposed a towncore that's slightly different to one another's, although Tommy did it first. That said, I'm a little skeptical that #776 is literally a perfect account of all his townreads, even including Emerald who Tommy just sheeped realiti on at the time. It was following a large catchup in a way, but lack of interfacing with e.g. Psy reads as off to me considering he later included him in townread list way after his first instinct. Just feels a little colour by numbers. Anyway...
Scum
Me - Don't think he's ever provided a good case for this. Psy provided a better case for voting me, which Tommy didn't even interface with. Don't think Psy still wants to vote me but yeah, happened lol.
Laurel - Obvtown slot IMO who Tommy somewhat tunnelled and then planted on solely because "he leant on the being apathetic too hard" but then didn't reconsider when Laurel... wasn't apathetic? This is such a level-1 read and hard cornering Laurel into playstyle tells is both terrible for him as a player and terrible for solving because town!Laurel is allowed to care if he thinks a setup is cool which he clearly does, plus he's coming off a huge game hiatus. I just think he doesn't tunnel on this read if he thinks about it for 5 seconds.
No Read Given
a fairy - Although he did scumread + vote her at one point and then quickly backed off when I defended her. Though I'm also scum so idk why he would do that.
Ehmcee - Ehmcee has a lot of readable content and idk why Tommy has ignored that slot
skipper/IPL - skipper had readable content and idk why Tommy has ignored that slot. IPL has a lot of readable content too and idk why he has ignored yesterday's EoD and SoD2.
Etay - Fair
tiger - Fair
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The main issue with him is the only read he's ever changed his mind on so far is Laurel, and he both townread and scumread him for exactly the same thing that didn't actually change as a result of anything that happened in the thread. He's not actually solving, when you solve you change your mind. He's riding the current of me/Laurel scum that is probably being pushed by at least some town (realiti for example, and probably at least one of IPL and pulsar) when me/Laurel scum doesn't stand up to 5 minutes of scrutiny. At best we hard openwolfed and buddied yesterday for exactly no need or reason, so me and Laurel being his only two scumreads is extremely untenable we actually have mad T/T or T/M eq and no M/M eq.
DUSKFALL98
Town (if you vote any of these I'm gonna flame you in graveyard and postgame still ranked by how much though)
Laurel
Ehmcee
joey
-------
a fairy
realiti
Top 3 are Just Town, bottom 2 are playing very well if they are scum which is feasible for both of them. Neither should be on the ballot paper for a long ass time but the PoE gets exhausted somehow then these are the 2 to look at.
Townlean
Psy - he probably is town but I'm not towncoring him yet bc I think he's been somewhat playing anti-town so far, but I also have very high hopes today for him to break out of the scumcore
Etay - tbf the inverse of what I was saying yesterday about people hard pushing convo onto Etay instead of tiger as the inactive vote rings true in the inverse, which is that it does give Etay some considerable town points, even though tiger was town. Enough to bump him above null despite the dearth of his own posting. JALMONT please sub Etay out thanks.
Scumlean
Emerald - Overall like his posting, the odd thing has seemed very presumptuous (forcing convo onto Etay during inactive vote, hipshooting massclaim today) and he did charge me, which most of the game agrees 2-3 scum probably did. Specific phrasing of it "caught in 4k" is a joke but I can't shake the feeling it also means slightly more LOL
IPL - Really disagree with his D2 posting and most of his EoD1 posting. It seems like he entered thread with a specific agenda in mind and really did not interact with the good faith responses to him. Like he responded to everyone that said "massclaim is a bad idea" but ignored everyone saying "this is a conversation we have already had, we decided not to on D1 but probably on D2 so we have a night of results, doing it an hour before deadline where a lot of players aren't here gives scum a huge night advantage". I just don't think it's feasible he only read the easiest posts to respond to during EoD, and I'm also surprised that he is like ignoring all of my posts to him today, and surprised that he's entering the thread hard pushing me when he knows that he missed a lot of D1 and as much as I respect him not catching up on reading, I'm surprised that he's not asking people questions in order to catch up second-hand. The fact that he just so happens to be pushing the one person who I'm p sure scum also pushed all of yesterday and started pushing again today, but has limited info on what happened in the game and then is not interfacing with counterarguments to that, is scummy to me sorry. Probably the easiest slot to move up.
pulsar - like yeah she could be scum and she's a good scum player nowadays in terms of her thread presence seeming towny. Also voted to charge me which see Emerald bio without the specific phrasing. What Psy has pointed out with her before "at some point you need to realise town should keep things secret this is a consistent problem for you" made me realise that pulsar very feasibly is in scum chat like "yeah I can fish for info I always do it dw no one's gonna care" especially given how many times towny players have told her to stop.
Scum
Tommy - See, the thing is is I really hate when players get pushed because "they should be playing better than they are, look at him it's Tommy!", but there are specific instances where I feel he's been cornered and then backpedaled on an objectively bad move. The main thing that stands out to me is when he was hard pushing for the people who voted for me to out that they voted for me, and specifically he phrased it in an offensive manner "if he doesn't have 4 votes we just vote Cel out" sort of thing. I had to hammer home openly stating that I understood the problem with this plan twice before he said "I see the issue too" and that was a while after he came up with the plan. Then Ehmcee just said it for us and the entire strategy died completely. I think his entrance D2 is really bad, I expect Tommy to have far more insightful contribution than his D2 entrance which "idk Celever's still scum but I'm not giving any reasons why ok bye" especially because Tommy missed most of EoD, EoD was a huge bulk of dense content, and yeah I expect him to have caught up on it lol. Not having any real contribution coming out of this D1 isn't valid, especially since he's been one of the proponents of "this game's had loads of useful content from the start" but his actual read breadth has been very very narrow according to Neon's sheet:
Tommy's reads based on the sheet are:
Town (on their own)
realiti - went scum then back to town in the bad #776
Psy - (once, right at the start of the game, basically said to defuse the argument with Psy and not really as a read in its own right)
Emerald
Neon - (said as a response to Neon pointing out Tommy having terrible progression on realiti, to defuse the situation and get back in Neon's good books probably)
pulsar - (solely piggybacking on the idea to vote Laurel, who at last count Tommy was townreading. pulsar didn't case Laurel or anything, this is just a complete mind shift with 0 progression, that progression provided after the fact with Laurel "going in too hard on being apathetic" which is exactly what he townread him for before).
joey - basically townread joey based off of mine and joey's interaction. Reads like him trying to consolidate joey's vote on + scumread of me more than anything else. Only independent opinion Tommy gave on joey that wasn't specifically to do with that was when he said joey's first reads post was a "good" post, but not in a towny sense, just in a game sense. Didn't really justify joey being towny at all.
So this seems like a nice breadth of reads in a way, and Tommy did the same thing that all of realiti, Laurel, and I later did where we proposed a towncore that's slightly different to one another's, although Tommy did it first. That said, I'm a little skeptical that #776 is literally a perfect account of all his townreads, even including Emerald who Tommy just sheeped realiti on at the time. It was following a large catchup in a way, but lack of interfacing with e.g. Psy reads as off to me considering he later included him in townread list way after his first instinct. Just feels a little colour by numbers. Anyway...
Scum
Me - Don't think he's ever provided a good case for this. Psy provided a better case for voting me, which Tommy didn't even interface with. Don't think Psy still wants to vote me but yeah, happened lol.
Laurel - Obvtown slot IMO who Tommy somewhat tunnelled and then planted on solely because "he leant on the being apathetic too hard" but then didn't reconsider when Laurel... wasn't apathetic? This is such a level-1 read and hard cornering Laurel into playstyle tells is both terrible for him as a player and terrible for solving because town!Laurel is allowed to care if he thinks a setup is cool which he clearly does, plus he's coming off a huge game hiatus. I just think he doesn't tunnel on this read if he thinks about it for 5 seconds.
No Read Given
a fairy - Although he did scumread + vote her at one point and then quickly backed off when I defended her. Though I'm also scum so idk why he would do that.
Ehmcee - Ehmcee has a lot of readable content and idk why Tommy has ignored that slot
skipper/IPL - skipper had readable content and idk why Tommy has ignored that slot. IPL has a lot of readable content too and idk why he has ignored yesterday's EoD and SoD2.
Etay - Fair
tiger - Fair
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The main issue with him is the only read he's ever changed his mind on so far is Laurel, and he both townread and scumread him for exactly the same thing that didn't actually change as a result of anything that happened in the thread. He's not actually solving, when you solve you change your mind. He's riding the current of me/Laurel scum that is probably being pushed by at least some town (realiti for example, and probably at least one of IPL and pulsar) when me/Laurel scum doesn't stand up to 5 minutes of scrutiny. At best we hard openwolfed and buddied yesterday for exactly no need or reason, so me and Laurel being his only two scumreads is extremely untenable we actually have mad T/T or T/M eq and no M/M eq.
