My experience using AV arch under rain is that if I commit to my Tera to it, it consistently gets 2+ kills against a lot of teams. Kinda like blood moon in a way but not as blatantly overpowered. Whoever had the hot takes of Archaludon (and meow fwiw) potentially being busted might not be correct in the long run, but was definitely onto something imo
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Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v4
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I can only think of a few things that could drop if Tera is banned. 
is an obvious one but I think maybe 
could drop into the tier too. Its Type combination is downright putrid which would hold back its high HP and good defenses and it's stuck at an awkward 87 Speed tier, tying with 
. I'm not 100% certain if it's drop would mean Veil teams would pop back up and push it back into the 'obscene' territory, so I'm left conflicted here. I feel rather blind here, so points against or for it would be heavily appreciated.
is an obvious one but I think maybe could drop into the tier too. Its Type combination is downright putrid which would hold back its high HP and good defenses and it's stuck at an awkward 87 Speed tier, tying with . I'm not 100% certain if it's drop would mean Veil teams would pop back up and push it back into the 'obscene' territory, so I'm left conflicted here. I feel rather blind here, so points against or for it would be heavily appreciated.
I think if tera was banned Baxcal would float between OU and UUBL, changing each tiering shift, for the sole reason that the moment veil becomes popular, people are going to start running scizor (probably with shed shell to escape the magnezone veil will run) and suddenly it becomes bad. Like a sine wave, his viability will rise and lower. I could also be completely wrong in my assessment as this is a purely theoretical metagame.I can only think of a few things that could drop if Tera is banned.
In semi-unrelated news, I'm not terribly keen on Specs Raging Bolt. It's fun to click Draco and watch as everything drops, but I feel like the issue that the Specs set has (at least on Sun) is that it's just not as good as Walking Wake thanks to a lower Speed tier and its STAB certainly isn't as spammable.
If we're gonna talk about things that may be overwhelming in rain, and we already have plenty of things that go crazy under Sun, should we go back to talking about Weather rather than individual mons, or would that be overreacting?
Rather than banning individual mons, I'd prefer to look at more, so to speak, "widely impactful" things right now. Booster Energy, Weather, Hazards... things like that. I understand that we always look at individual mons first, but I feel like it'd be the better call to go straight for these things.
Also waiting on the "drop from Ubers" train to start talking about Flutter Mane, as I unironically think she might be fine; she's pretty close to Darkrai and he turned out fine, jus' sayin'
Rather than banning individual mons, I'd prefer to look at more, so to speak, "widely impactful" things right now. Booster Energy, Weather, Hazards... things like that. I understand that we always look at individual mons first, but I feel like it'd be the better call to go straight for these things.
as a darkrai advocate, please no.
Flutter manes typing and speed is already far superior to darkrai, and it has an ability that is useful in every single match. The power difference is quite significant
*deep inhalation* Flutter Mane ain't fine. First of all, it has the best offensive typing in Pokemon, and a good defensive one, has a consistently useful ability not enabled by a 60% accurate move, but by an item or weather. Second, it has Calm Mind, better special bulk, and 10 points of extra speed, hitting the speed tier with maximum investment and the Protosynthesis boost of 607. For context, this is faster than Jolly Max Speed Regieleki, while having higher Special Attack and Special bulk. Finally, it has Draining Kiss.
The power difference is like the difference between Genesect and Arceus, it aint even close
no no you see if we force
into equipping an Iron Ball it can drop I swear I know I (foolishly) suggested the idea
could drop but is another thing entirely. There's a very good reason why it was one of the fastest quickbans OU has seen (take note of the fact it's performing extremely well in Ubers, and as an offensive mon no less).
In your last calc, how is Urshifu rapid at +2 and choice band?
guys, I do have things to say to your arguments, but I wrote that with the strike-through thing just to drop the thought without opening a discussion point because we've been told repeatedly to not talk about Uber drops anymore, and I do agree that we shouldn't drop any.
I know it's my own fault for writing it down anyway, but let's not focus too much on the anecdote, please.
I know it's my own fault for writing it down anyway, but let's not focus too much on the anecdote, please.
Tbh I'm guessing that some people are just trying to get things banned because they just don't like the Pokemon (example: Gholdengo and Kingambit I still see some ppl in a couple places talking about wanting them banned even after dlc 2 (less Ghold now but still))
I think that Iron Boulder should be banned to Ubers, and here’s why I think it should.
The main issue is that it’s just too fast for OU. Especially with a Booster Energy. It also hits things incredibly hard. It does lose to priority but with Tera, that’s not an issue if you Tera Dark.
It also has access to Swords Dance which means that you shouldn’t ignore it unless you will be punished honestly.
Honestly, I’ve tried Iron Boulder myself and there’s no denying it’s very strong, ban worthy in fact. There’s also Mighty Cleave, which hits through Protect. Which causes problems for Toxic stallers like Gliscor or Clodsire. And is just a great STAB option in general.
Here’s my take on why Iron Boulder should be banned from OU(Sorry if this isn’t entirely accurate, I don’t play OU that much. Feel free to disagree)
The main issue is that it’s just too fast for OU. Especially with a Booster Energy. It also hits things incredibly hard. It does lose to priority but with Tera, that’s not an issue if you Tera Dark.
It also has access to Swords Dance which means that you shouldn’t ignore it unless you will be punished honestly.
Honestly, I’ve tried Iron Boulder myself and there’s no denying it’s very strong, ban worthy in fact. There’s also Mighty Cleave, which hits through Protect. Which causes problems for Toxic stallers like Gliscor or Clodsire. And is just a great STAB option in general.
Here’s my take on why Iron Boulder should be banned from OU(Sorry if this isn’t entirely accurate, I don’t play OU that much. Feel free to disagree)
Toxapex @ Leftovers
Ability: Regenerator
Tera Type: Dragon / Earth / Fairy / whatever your team needs trapped!
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpA
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Toxic
- Infestation
- Haze
- Recover
Like Zygrade-C in Nat-Dex Uber. I find this Tera trapping Toxapex really good. You can trap Rilaboom, Raging Bolt, Walking Wake, or really anything Choiced, then whittle it down with Toxic+Infestation. Also doubles as your usual Toxapex.
Ability: Regenerator
Tera Type: Dragon / Earth / Fairy / whatever your team needs trapped!
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpA
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Toxic
- Infestation
- Haze
- Recover
Like Zygrade-C in Nat-Dex Uber. I find this Tera trapping Toxapex really good. You can trap Rilaboom, Raging Bolt, Walking Wake, or really anything Choiced, then whittle it down with Toxic+Infestation. Also doubles as your usual Toxapex.
While yes Boulder is strong I don't see it as overbearing on OU right now. I think it can be dealt with if you for example phase it, switch in that big fish or even Gliscor
Tbf I mostly played on my alt with some HO webs team on the lower ladder because I wasn't too sure if I liked the team enough to use it on main but every time I got webs off and Boulder switched in it couldn't really do a lot of anything thanks to webs slowing it down and it getting an attack boost instead (I'm aware that's a bit situational and webs probably aren't the best option rn because of Serperior)
But yea what I'm trying to say is that in the current metagame while it is strong, I personally don't really see it as a big issue that can't be dealt with
does 80% to 
with EQ/HH and only takes 60% from +2 Mighty Cleave, meaning it's a 3HKO after Poison Heal. And if terastallizes, the opponent no longer has tera. is also a very solid answer, as most(?) s don't run Zen Headbutt. If they do, it only kills at +2. With things like 
to tank a Cleave and OHKO with Leaf Storm, getting a boost in the process, I think is balanced in the OU meta.
The main reason why iron boulder is not banworthy is that it has a horrible defensive typing and has only okay power unboosted. This means that it needs to set up safely, which is an issue. Plus it is weak to the main priority moves in grassy glide and sucker punch, unless it teras which isn't the best to be required to tera. It's definetely great and if it had either of these weaknesses gone, it would be broken.
jokes aside boulder is phenomenal, but not banworthy imo
its super good but it's secondary typing is just a liability, and it can get absolutely gobsmacked by strong priority users, and it hates being phased out due to booster energy just being a one time boost, as well as webs changing its boost to attack rather than speed. Definitely something that should be monitored but it's far from a pressing issue imo
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252+ Atk Choice Band Tera Grass Rillaboom Grassy Glide vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Tera Fighting Iron Boulder in Grassy Terrain: 302-356 (94 - 110.9%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO
Bruh this is the new glaceon, how did I miss this lmao
In all fairness, this would be the time to do exactly that, as there are no more major shifts to the nature of SV (especially if GF does what they did last gen and keeps any remakes/PLA style games separate from SV). Otherwise we end up like last gen where things like Cinderace just get unbanned and rebanned continuously.
No, a boring meta has too few viable options. Meanwhile, this meta has many viable mons. OU is fairly big rn, and lots of UU mons are viable too. A diverse meta means you won't get bored of seeing the same mons over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again, like we had in DLC 1.
+1 and we gotta consider that this is still an active meta with drops, rises and new additions (well one new addition in the future) so this meta won't be boring for a really long while
I'm excited and terrified of Pecharunt at the same time. On one hand, it's the worst mon of all time. On the other hand, it's going to be very good.