NOC 16P Role Madness Mafia (CANCELLED)

M2H said:
I mean celever could even be scum with bus driver as a disruptive role :blobshrug: idt bus driving pulsar clears celever, but it does clear pulsar if celever is town which is the point I was making.
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Bus driving pulsar is more pro-town than shooting skipper, do you agree or disagree
 
ImaginaryNeon said:
Claiming page 5 does not mean consensusing a massclaim on page 89
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I am of the opinion that an enforced massclaim will always be better than a partial claim. The latter merely gives the scum team more information, and does not hold the scum team accountable to a stated claim. If a massclaim isn't enforced, it is likely the scum team will not claim. It ultimately disadvantages the village to not massclaim in this type of setup.
 
It’s possible in theory that either of us are scum who made a towncred gambit I do agree with that, but I hate the logical inconsistency here
 
Celever said:
Bus driving pulsar is more pro-town than shooting skipper, do you agree or disagree
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Yeah, I agree its pretty pro-town. It's the correct play from town!Celever perspective. What isn't pro-town is coming into the thread on weak reasoning trying to use that bus drive for cred in order to avoid the major conflict: NE/Pulsar. With your information, I think NE is the vote here, and not pushing that tells me you don't want to solve for NE/Pulsar.
 
If you were mafia in that case, you could do something wacky like push me -> push pulsar using my dead reads -> be "cleaned" from pulsar flip and it would be a really strong play as mafia imo.
 
M2H said:
Yeah, I agree its pretty pro-town. It's the correct play from town!Celever perspective. What isn't pro-town is coming into the thread on weak reasoning trying to use that bus drive for cred in order to avoid the major conflict: NE/Pulsar. With your information, I think NE is the vote here, and not pushing that tells me you don't want to solve for NE/Pulsar.
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M2H said:
The fact that I could reason with Pulsar to get her on the NE vote is why I give some validity to a Pulsar t / Celever m world.
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I also don’t like that you just ignore any posts that disagree with your worldview.

JOATs duplicate roles on their own faction all the time. I don’t think there’s anything to solve there, nor do I think it’s a 50/50.

I don’t think Emerald is particularly towny anyway, but how hard you’re pushing him over faulty mech makes me feel like you’re maf and he’s town

I also didn’t use the bus drive for cred, unless you mean for giving pulsar towncred, which I own up to. The fact that cred comes out of saving the town cop is immutable.
 
M2H said:
If you were mafia in that case, you could do something wacky like push me -> push pulsar using my dead reads -> be "cleaned" from pulsar flip and it would be a really strong play as mafia imo.
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How could I push pulsar using your dead reads when I confirmed pulsar town by saving her from the fac kill :pikuh:
 
I think we have talked the celever/pulsar thing to death by now, no way am I going to be voting either of them today unless there is more information that comes out or something
 
ngl with the claims neon still feels like a good lynch here just on role alone.

Celever is not mech town off of the driver claim(driver is a good role for mafia) so I can see getting town cred off of the claim as plausible


Similarly M2H isn't locktown by the claim(1 shot vig isn't as protown as unlimited or multishot) but I think his pushes have been good today and also pushing for a massclaim today isn't scummy imo. Helps with the solve.

Celever what's your follow up on the Alice vote a few hours before EoD1? What were your thoughts on the skipper/neon wagons at that time, and what do you think of how D1 ended?
 
joey said:
Worth mentioning that I think NE and Neon can't be scum together or else NE has no reason to unvote at 5 mins to deadline yesterday
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To word this better, NE had no expectation to unvote and unvoting meant directly trying to get Neon voted over skipper who we now know was town
 
bluedoom said:
ngl with the claims neon still feels like a good lynch here just on role alone.

Celever is not mech town off of the driver claim(driver is a good role for mafia) so I can see getting town cred off of the claim as plausible


Similarly M2H isn't locktown by the claim(1 shot vig isn't as protown as unlimited or multishot) but I think his pushes have been good today and also pushing for a massclaim today isn't scummy imo. Helps with the solve.

Celever what's your follow up on the Alice vote a few hours before EoD1? What were your thoughts on the skipper/neon wagons at that time, and what do you think of how D1 ended?
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I’m ngl man I spoiled myself on the result of the D1 vote (which is a crime btw this is why ties = no vote is a terrible mechanic) which made me interface with the EoD dynamics on a lower level cos I was pissed off lol

But as far as Alice is concerned she again got ignored by literally everyone so there’s only that to read into. I could believe she’s scum and her partners are consistently pushing her out of the conversation but when no town tried to pick it up either that theory is difficult to evidence
 
Celever said:
(This was why I said policy btw sometimes it’s used just as a “this person is annoying the thread”

Still disagree with strong arming the massclaim especially when we talked about this yesterday. I got a clear so I should claim, but you’ve outed the most broken role ever (revive) for… no gain? Negative gain, actually.

Also Tommy hates revives with every essence of his being and presumably reviewed this setup so that’s interesting
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I assume that second part was to ehmcee or whoever
 
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