NOC 16P Role Madness Mafia (CANCELLED)

M2H said:
the value would be making the correct choice within those two, or alternatively, verifying that it is a true 1v1 and there wasn't like a town safeguard on pulsar or something goofy like that.
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fair enough

wobbufet, martyr: I target a person and make them target me with all of their actions(so I can draw in the factional kill). I idled last night.
 
Celever said:
idk neither one of us thinks it's actually a 1v1 though lol

we just think some shenanigans occurred. unless you think scum genuinely shot saber instead of pulsar I'm not sure how my claim is put in doubt by a fairy's.
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No this is definitely a 1v1 unless there is a third intervening role, mod mistakes, or a ninja/juggernaut mafia kill. the mk was def on pulsar, but a fairy was also on pulsar, those should cancel out regardless of your bus drive.
 
M2H said:
No this is definitely a 1v1 unless there is a third intervening role, mod mistakes, or a ninja/juggernaut mafia kill. the mk was def on pulsar, but a fairy was also on pulsar, those should cancel out regardless of your bus drive.
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yes, I think both a fairy and I think there's probably a third intervening role or stylised night kill
 
Celever said:
yes, I think both a fairy and I think there's probably a third intervening role or stylised night kill
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a massclaim will solve for that

its also the case that martyr / bus driver / bodyguard / roleblocker are probably not all town and don't really make sense with a ninja/juggernaut kill.
 
I mean I think we kind of have to assume that what happened is correct, if we assume there is some kind of moderror it kind of throws the whole game into question
 
M2H said:
a massclaim will solve for that

its also the case that martyr / bus driver / bodyguard / roleblocker are probably not all town and don't really make sense with a ninja/juggernaut kill.
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yes this is why I wanted to vote in celever/neon today but I think a fairy/celever makes more sense now as the option
 
i will be totally honest with you m2h, even if we full massclaim i will still not think it's a 1v1.

with much love to genisu, hosting is a thankless job, we have already seen at least one occurrence of a hosting error (revealing the pichus) and a few less dangerous ones (messing up vcs) so i cannot discount a hosting error
 
joey said:
I mean I think we kind of have to assume that what happened is correct, if we assume there is some kind of moderror it kind of throws the whole game into question
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I agree. So my first assumption would be to massclaim, and determine whether there is some claimed action that could have caused this. Next would be to honestly kill a fairy and celever.
 
M2H said:
I agree. So my first assumption would be to massclaim, and determine whether there is some claimed action that could have caused this. Next would be to honestly kill a fairy and celever.
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If it's a town role that caused it this works, if it's a mafia role that caused it this doesn't
 
M2H said:
a massclaim will solve for that

its also the case that martyr / bus driver / bodyguard / roleblocker are probably not all town and don't really make sense with a ninja/juggernaut kill.
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or all of them are town and that's why mafia have a ninja and/or juggernaut. the amount of disruption and protection probably makes it likelier if anything.

games where the scumteam each have an ability, but also have a passive where if they kill carry they're strongman (ignores protection) / ninja (ignores disruption) / quiet (avoids detection) depending on who does it do exist. The roles that are in this game almost make this scumteam setup likely. Town is overpowered as shit rn and that setup offers some counterplay to that.
 
a fairy said:
i will be totally honest with you m2h, even if we full massclaim i will still not think it's a 1v1.

with much love to genisu, hosting is a thankless job, we have already seen at least one occurrence of a hosting error (revealing the pichus) and a few less dangerous ones (messing up vcs) so i cannot discount a hosting error
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A hosting error is possible, but if there is a hosting error the game was bastardized anyways. It's optimal to treat it as a 1v1 and consider it an unlucky loss if a hosting error was the cause (genisu plz verify anyways)
 
treating this as a 1v1 when it probably wasn't a host error and also probably happened this way because of a scum ability is nonsense but if this game gets derailed like that I'll just afk it lol
 
which btw, the rb (a common maf role) claiming they targeted the guy who died to maf, when two towny players are trying to figure out a night action discrepency

is a pretty easy solve if you go, neon was silent rb on me or cel and maf is letting this explode
 
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