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NOC Pokemon Mystery Dungeon Mafia - Explorers - Game Thread (Game Over!)
- Thread starter charlieum
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Fair
wait fr?
I died at night 2 mafia I was gonna steal m2hs role but died
Charlie told me in passing that they normally give fake claims to mafia so mass claim is extremely terrible (maybe bluedoom can confirm this since he's played more Charlie games)
p much charlie's standard ya
SHAME
I actually just started playing eos
please stop doing this guys PLEASE
you should be holding anything about your claim until like 30 minutes to dl if possible any soft whether your role is good bad, or like context ANYTHING
just hurts town, and helps mafia try solve stuff (I know a fairy is not the worst for that but it's the first instance this game)
smogon town losses a lot, but one of the main reasons that's easy to fix up is more controlled role play imo, you can get lucky or unlucky with reads but keeping more measured role play is something we have control over
tch
##unvote for now, need some time but i'd also love to understand how jalmont aka mr "laurel is town, shout it from the clifftops" has suddenly done a partial 180 on the read and decided that it's a dig for towncred. which i mean, it could be, but then what sparked the initial townread to begin with? because that was after he'd done all that early posting about the mafia fakeclaims and requesting everyone to flavor claim and such
##unvote for now, need some time but i'd also love to understand how jalmont aka mr "laurel is town, shout it from the clifftops" has suddenly done a partial 180 on the read and decided that it's a dig for towncred. which i mean, it could be, but then what sparked the initial townread to begin with? because that was after he'd done all that early posting about the mafia fakeclaims and requesting everyone to flavor claim and such
hell yeah, my favorite game in existence and i'll defend it forever. what mon are you & what's your partner?
also I agree with a fairy about neon, he has his moments ofc, but if you're trigger happy with the "game throwing" because you are trying to trigger his past trauma into acting as you expect, when he's not actually gamethrowing, rather play the game on an equal level, well please don't do that :)
btw if you're town, you've actively just encouraged him to sabotage town for no reason here, stop demanding people claim for free it doesn't help you at all this early it just helps mafia if he's town
genisu you're demanding of people's roles, is and will actively hurt town thought this game, I will probably end up voting you if you continue after this warning
I know you're not that experienced yet, but this really isn't helping you or town solve the game beyond general curiosity and open ended speculation that gets us nowhere
it does help mafia a lot more, because they know who is town and who is telling the truth/lying already and can have way more concrete assumptions off claims, plus they can decide who to kill off claims, use role cops etc etc
every time you get someone to share anything on their role, you have hurt town
the ONLY reason we ask for claims EOD when voting, is because we want to not vote out a powerful town role, it's not to help us solve, unless it's late game
the early game "you're suspected claim" gig, is a "we unfortunately have to get you to claim, because you've a good chance of being voted" not a "we need to you to claim to decide to vote you or not", every time we do it, we give mafia a slight, or major assist
if you're ever asking someone to claim, you should always be thinking "this helps mafia, I'm actively doing something mafia wants now", is it worth the price? obviously start of D1 it never is
higher end mafia/scum play, there's strategies of open wolfing and drumming up multiple wagons EOD, to bait claims from multiple town players. for this info, mafia is willing to put themselves out in the open somewhat to force people to claim, and oftentimes the info is so valuable, it's with doing
smogon revival has a bad habit of just giving this incredibly valuable info to mafia for free D1, if the town winrate is to increase a bit, then this is the first step and people juer hage to be comfortable to sit in somewhat unknown for a few days phases (at least)
tbh i wouldnt even say somewhat unknown like i feel like even d2 we get to talk about a lot of concrete stuff (otherwise well said)
Day 1.2 Votals
(5) genisu: M2H, Shane the Shroomish, saberslasher11, StupidFlandrs48, pulsar512b
(2) ImaginaryNeon: ImaginaryNeon, Alice Kazumi
(2) Shane the Shroomish: bluedoom, genisu
(1) Celever: JALMONT
Voteless: a fairy, Celever, Clouds, Duskfall98, HydrogenHydreigon, joey, Laurel
You have 36.5 hours until phase end. With 17 alive, it takes 11 to hammer early.
(5) genisu: M2H, Shane the Shroomish, saberslasher11, StupidFlandrs48, pulsar512b
(2) ImaginaryNeon: ImaginaryNeon, Alice Kazumi
(2) Shane the Shroomish: bluedoom, genisu
(1) Celever: JALMONT
Voteless: a fairy, Celever, Clouds, Duskfall98, HydrogenHydreigon, joey, Laurel
You have 36.5 hours until phase end. With 17 alive, it takes 11 to hammer early.
What do you mean by that?
Reading through everything, I'm almost certain he's a villager.
That's a valid feeling to have, but it'd be even better if you substantiated it by showing us which posts he's made that you think look more villager than mafia which have informed your LHF read. Just saying LHF isn't something I can do anything with on my end other than disagree and say a spade is a spade. So, what's he done that's villagery in your eyes?
The post where he outed those three reads didn't really seem like a joke to me. What gave you that impression?
I very much didn't do that. I didn't make any qualitative statements on whether his play was "good" or "bad", and I certainly wouldn't vote someone for "playing badly", I just can't see how his thought process was cohesive. At a minimum, to make progress, we have to assume a few things, one of which is that you're going to at be able to empathize with the thought process of the other humans on the game on an intuitive level, regardless how new they are to the game or not.
Seems a little shameless and risky for a wolf to argue against mechanical claims like that so early when we don't even have a town core or PoE yet. You're giving his wolf game zero credit by FoSing him ~for~ it, and based on how everyone else has been talking about Celever (giving the impression he is okay as a wolf) I don't see why. If his claim is verifiable and a backup on Smogon worked like that in the past the posts are just NAI.
This is an argument with no bottom. If you apply this logic to the entire game, it becomes impossible to vote for anyone who acts scummy, since they'd let themselves be coached instead. It hypothetically is ~a point~ but I don't see why you would weigh it very high instead of just baldly reading the thread and determining alignments that way.
It's also very unlikely that someone would start coaching as soon as RVS. Keep in mind a large portion of the thread had sporadic activity up to that point. What if his partners weren't available or just weren't offering coaching?
Your last post was that you saw and understood the scumreads on him and considered him LHF. How does that end up with me being scummy for pointing out that some of his posts are votable? If he's LHF, you acknowledge that he's at the very least a bit scummy, right?
Maybe tunnel vision, but I consider the second post classically scummy, and the first has townreads just on two people that are writing within his interest and scumreading people that have been argumentative with him.
Again, this is an argument with no bottom. At that point, there's not really any way to read a newer player. I disagree that it would be 100% in line with the town play of someone who isn't experienced. Someone who's an inexperienced villager would probably play a lot more simply when they're figuring out the game or maybe not post as much persuasive content or maybe have some misconceptions about how wolves generally act, but expecting them to be flat-out illogical is a wild leap -- humans have a logical thought process for everything they do in life. Up until now, I've seen him do several things that are more aligned with how I'd expect a newer wolf to play.
I could be reasoned to vote elsewhere of course, but someone would actually have to go through his posts and show me why they think he's a villager in a persuasive manner.
Champs games aren't very skilled in general, just because the experience and the skill levels of all the sites competing vary wildly. You often find people in the semifinal who have no clue what they're doing, and the winrate for mafia is like over 80 or 90 percent or something in Champs in the last few years. Playing normal games on MafiaUniverse usually gives you a better experience.