Why was that enough to get you off joey and flanders is not the vote today, townlean at worst. Might reconsider it later.
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Why was that enough to get you off joey and flanders is not the vote today, townlean at worst. Might reconsider it later.
I don't see how? The town came across very pure to me and his posts were referencing game ideas I put in discord. His idea to play scummy as town comes from my idea that optimal mafia play comes from having 1 unified meta that maximizes personal agency. I don't think he's doing a good job on the latter part, but I can see where town!saber tries to do that, gets annoyed on entry, and just leaves.
it was an alright post and i think you're basing this heavily off of his reads not aligning with yours. i went back and read saber's posting from the unfinished game and i honestly didn't see enough differences to be calling saber town here. saber literally opens this game with "it's statistically unlikely to get scum twice" in defense to flanders, that's legit their opening post lol, i wonder what someone who rolled scum twice would say if they discussed amongst mafia that saber should be using the improbability factor as a point in his favor. the clash might be that you have the experience playing with him and you're spotting differences that make you feel like he's not capable of being scum here, i'm just not seeing that yet
that said... i'm not sure flanders and saber pair so i guess that impacts my worldview some
##Vote Celever
i think he is a wolf honestly
i think he is a wolf honestly
This is a bit messy, but... fuck it we content
My thoughts on JALMONT/genisu/blueddom are well-established at this point so I won't harp on them.
-Alice is ramping up the content and involvement in the way I'd expect her to as town. No real reason to expect anything out of the ordinary. Reads feel genuine.
-Celever and I have very similar views at this point about who's positioned where and why, but it feels like we reached those conclusions in separate, organic ways. That fact that they, and not me, are under fire currently for expressed views is baffling but I have no clue how it could be distancing with Clouds involved
-Anyone who honestly scumleans saber strongly enough to vote him is either 1. more paranoid than me, which is a real achievement, or 2. completely talking out their ass to claim easy LHF towncred.
-Tommy is very hard to read but I just don't see how his playstyle currently benefits mafia. Inactivity also hurts the confidence in this read
-I was already TLing Joey before he wallposted but this kinda reinforces it. The people he leaves out for being "too complex to read" could be seen as suspicious but it jibes with his "d1 sucks" philosophy so I'm fine to roll with it for now. His wagon is very bad.
-HyHy seems a but more reserved to me than last game despite keeping the same posting style. Could just be my imagination so null for now
-M2H has been mixed, they've shown a much greater willingness to get bogged down in fluff than I'd have expected and it feels like they've given up on any kind of town leader/first follower role at all. Very odd behavior but none of their progs strike me as especially odd so I'll stay mixed for now
-I can't be quite as sure about Laurel anymore, I still think the SoD interactions and their lurkiness since then has been sus but he just doesn't fit into any of my wider theories currently hence the SR>SL downgrade
-Bluedoom is just an enigma to me now, I like as much as I dislike when I read their posts. I think their pushes on pulsar and Celever were more genuine than what Clouds has done since. I also notice he seems to be sheeping/mindmelding with Shane which is weird
-Pulsar's situation is a mess, I can't really bring myself to stop sussing her behavior atp despite my best efforts
-Shane is still hard to read but I think they've got certain thread dynamics going on with Celever and Bluedoom that rub me the wrong way. Shane + Marth being an item gives them major T/T equity imo and decreases the likelihood of doom being scum in the current "oligarchy" setup where there is definitely one scum if not more
-I think Clouds is pushing Celever way harder than there's any need for, and I'm naturally suspicious of his ploys for de facto TL status. With me questioning some of my prior thoughts about genisu I think he also neatly replaces genisu in the X/bluedoom/JALMONT dynamic I've been describing, similar to what Cel mentioned. His Tommy interactions have also been very weird, almost hedgy in a sense like M2H. Keeping a close eye on him tonight. Votes are flip-floppy, half feel like his own judgment while the other half read like random crowd-pleasers
-Something about AF's posting habits here have made me feel very uneasy, I have no clue why, I think I'm going nuts. Tbf this was around the point in D1 last game when my judgment started to fall off a bit, and I'm coming off an all-nighter.
My thoughts on JALMONT/genisu/blueddom are well-established at this point so I won't harp on them.
-Alice is ramping up the content and involvement in the way I'd expect her to as town. No real reason to expect anything out of the ordinary. Reads feel genuine.
-Celever and I have very similar views at this point about who's positioned where and why, but it feels like we reached those conclusions in separate, organic ways. That fact that they, and not me, are under fire currently for expressed views is baffling but I have no clue how it could be distancing with Clouds involved
-Anyone who honestly scumleans saber strongly enough to vote him is either 1. more paranoid than me, which is a real achievement, or 2. completely talking out their ass to claim easy LHF towncred.
-Tommy is very hard to read but I just don't see how his playstyle currently benefits mafia. Inactivity also hurts the confidence in this read
-I was already TLing Joey before he wallposted but this kinda reinforces it. The people he leaves out for being "too complex to read" could be seen as suspicious but it jibes with his "d1 sucks" philosophy so I'm fine to roll with it for now. His wagon is very bad.
-HyHy seems a but more reserved to me than last game despite keeping the same posting style. Could just be my imagination so null for now
-M2H has been mixed, they've shown a much greater willingness to get bogged down in fluff than I'd have expected and it feels like they've given up on any kind of town leader/first follower role at all. Very odd behavior but none of their progs strike me as especially odd so I'll stay mixed for now
-I can't be quite as sure about Laurel anymore, I still think the SoD interactions and their lurkiness since then has been sus but he just doesn't fit into any of my wider theories currently hence the SR>SL downgrade
-Bluedoom is just an enigma to me now, I like as much as I dislike when I read their posts. I think their pushes on pulsar and Celever were more genuine than what Clouds has done since. I also notice he seems to be sheeping/mindmelding with Shane which is weird
-Pulsar's situation is a mess, I can't really bring myself to stop sussing her behavior atp despite my best efforts
-Shane is still hard to read but I think they've got certain thread dynamics going on with Celever and Bluedoom that rub me the wrong way. Shane + Marth being an item gives them major T/T equity imo and decreases the likelihood of doom being scum in the current "oligarchy" setup where there is definitely one scum if not more
-I think Clouds is pushing Celever way harder than there's any need for, and I'm naturally suspicious of his ploys for de facto TL status. With me questioning some of my prior thoughts about genisu I think he also neatly replaces genisu in the X/bluedoom/JALMONT dynamic I've been describing, similar to what Cel mentioned. His Tommy interactions have also been very weird, almost hedgy in a sense like M2H. Keeping a close eye on him tonight. Votes are flip-floppy, half feel like his own judgment while the other half read like random crowd-pleasers
-Something about AF's posting habits here have made me feel very uneasy, I have no clue why, I think I'm going nuts. Tbf this was around the point in D1 last game when my judgment started to fall off a bit, and I'm coming off an all-nighter.
celever vs. jalmont would be a good wagon battle i'm not too hurt about either of them flipping over and theres lots of information to be had either way
guessing jalmont is town given the current wagon activity but preflipping that is always a meme
other options we have to move to are pulsar, tommy, genisu, and joey just because of how many votes they already have but all of those elims feel like such a waste of time now (except genisu but i think he's villa at this point)
flanders scum
neon mixed
saber m
lame pile of experienced people with no comm
Im probably forgetting stuff.
He comes in thread after being away and his wall post is actually awful & he pushes the absolute lowest hanging fruit he could have besides maybe laurel. And that was good enough for you to pull off of him? Seriously?
do you mean s/s here?
Ive been at a wedding i posted about it but im sure its been buried
i thought about how your reads have developed and the threadstate stuff you're posting and i don't really believe it's game solving, it just feels like pushing for certain outcomes
ok well why do you feel that way because it def is game solving let's talk
I'm still terrible at using these terms properly so probably yes. Either way I think there's a connection that puts them on the same team, although it's a new observation by my standards so I'll give it time to sit.
point taken. i'm fine with him still being a wagon in the mix, all i'm saying is that i think your lens is partially tinted due to how strongly you're townreading saber. but you're right that it'd be an easy push for him to make as mafia here if saber is town, not gonna disagree there
That can't have covered everything, surely. I don't buy that.
Lying smfhOh well that’s not the effect I aspire to have on people
Neither am I