NOC Pokemon Mystery Dungeon Mafia - Explorers - Game Thread (Game Over!)

btw why were you getting tilted at people EOD for jalmont getting wagoned, acting like it was something you were trying to work against when you literally voted him to get claim also?

I was tilted because I read JALMONT as a core PR or scum based on his breadcrumbing/slips/whateveryoucallit. It was bad play to force that awkward situation at eod day 1 instead of just doing a massclaim d2. JALMONT, respectfully, is a touchy enough player that being wagonned like that d1 when he felt it wasn't justified is going to make him turtle up and lead to a fucked up eod. It's also the case that he may have been reluctant to claim because he wanted to utilize the PR effectively. I felt a d2 massclaim would be fine, would elicit the claim from JALMONT, without causing reactance, which I could then consider with what I believe his role to have to be, and would also pressure the mafia and hold people accountable. Like what if JALMONT had been alignment cop and being forced out d1 makes us lose out on a check. People weren't even recognizing that he softed it felt just fucking idiotic to me.
 
yeah but then mafia kill is missing

there's an obvious answer in my head here though to all this, but no real need to speculate jalmont is very likely town who saber saved last night and so further outting his role is bad

if something is off later we can address that later, let's take jalmont as town for now
Huh? Why do you assume JALMONT was killed by mafia?
 
I was tilted because I read JALMONT as a core PR or scum based on his breadcrumbing/slips/whateveryoucallit. It was bad play to force that awkward situation at eod day 1 instead of just doing a massclaim d2. JALMONT, respectfully, is a touchy enough player that being wagonned like that d1 when he felt it wasn't justified is going to make him turtle up and lead to a fucked up eod. It's also the case that he may have been reluctant to claim because he wanted to utilize the PR effectively. I felt a d2 massclaim would be fine, would elicit the claim from JALMONT, without causing reactance, which I could then consider with what I believe his role to have to be, and would also pressure the mafia and hold people accountable. Like what if JALMONT had been alignment cop and being forced out d1 makes us lose out on a check. People weren't even recognizing that he softed it felt just fucking idiotic to me.
why did you vote him if you saw him soft it instead of voting for a cw

i am not understanding the point of your play beyond outing roles on purpose
 
I was tilted because I read JALMONT as a core PR or scum based on his breadcrumbing/slips/whateveryoucallit. It was bad play to force that awkward situation at eod day 1 instead of just doing a massclaim d2. JALMONT, respectfully, is a touchy enough player that being wagonned like that d1 when he felt it wasn't justified is going to make him turtle up and lead to a fucked up eod. It's also the case that he may have been reluctant to claim because he wanted to utilize the PR effectively. I felt a d2 massclaim would be fine, would elicit the claim from JALMONT, without causing reactance, which I could then consider with what I believe his role to have to be, and would also pressure the mafia and hold people accountable. Like what if JALMONT had been alignment cop and being forced out d1 makes us lose out on a check. People weren't even recognizing that he softed it felt just fucking idiotic to me.

then why did you wagon him instead of switching to pulsar when you were voting him as tied wagon?

you had the power to take him off lead wagon, it felt like your play was completely opposite in action to what you were getting mad at in last 5 minutes

if you got him as pr then cool wp, but you could've put pulsar as first but instead you voted him eod, asked others to vote him to bait claims but you also didn't want him to claim?
 
what's that mean, sorry?

i have a debate club mindset that says that generally the most active 4-6 posters who often talk to each other and theorize about the game will almost always have a scum in it

celever presents it as some oligarchal hemogony that is being puppetted by scum

you can see why my perspective and his perspective are similar enough but his perspective gets you SRd
 
why did you vote him if you saw him soft it instead of voting for a cw

i am not understanding the point of your play beyond outing roles on purpose

because it was gimping our eod for people to not put it off. the thread state was awful. people were on the verge of lynching him even with a claim. my motivation was to try to get people to put off jalmont until d2 but when people kept pushing him anyways YES he needs to claim.
 
i have a debate club mindset that says that generally the most active 4-6 posters who often talk to each other and theorize about the game will almost always have a scum in it

celever presents it as some oligarchal hemogony that is being puppetted by scum

you can see why my perspective and his perspective are similar enough but his perspective gets you SRd

"you SRd" refers to celever here, "you" being whoever proposes the oligarchal theory
 
i have a debate club mindset that says that generally the most active 4-6 posters who often talk to each other and theorize about the game will almost always have a scum in it

celever presents it as some oligarchal hemogony that is being puppetted by scum

you can see why my perspective and his perspective are similar enough but his perspective gets you SRd

basic odds just say that's overwhelmingly likely to be true ftr

also 13/4 split is standard so the 13 town basically just lets us know there's no 3p
 
i have a debate club mindset that says that generally the most active 4-6 posters who often talk to each other and theorize about the game will almost always have a scum in it

celever presents it as some oligarchal hemogony that is being puppetted by scum

you can see why my perspective and his perspective are similar enough but his perspective gets you SRd
any group of 4 - 6 posters is likely to have a wolf in it automatically just by virtue of math on the rand so that isn't really saying much

nor was i pushing on celever just because je brought up the oligarchy, the points he made within his statements just didn't add up
 
basic odds just say that's overwhelmingly likely to be true ftr

also 13/4 split is standard so the 13 town basically just lets us know there's no 3p

yeah im just explaining why i didnt go on celever bc the oligarchy stuff was the reason ppl were going on celever and i have a similar mindset as him i just have taken public communication lessons
 
any group of 4 - 6 posters is likely to have a wolf in it automatically just by virtue of math on the rand so that isn't really saying much

nor was i pushing on celever just because je brought up the oligarchy, the points he made within his statements just didn't add up

it was my perspective at the time that the celever wagon was a result of the oligarchy stuff
 
why did you vote him if you saw him soft it instead of voting for a cw

i am not understanding the point of your play beyond outing roles on purpose

its awful fmpov if we keep a jalmont/pulsar eod wagon, people are still on the jalmont stuff d2, and we dont even massclaim to solve the slot when I have a literal JALMONT: MAFIA/PR read. i wanted to solve the slot, and the threadstate was awful, and people didnt commit to the move that would resolve it in a healthier way so yeah I had to force the claim. if i don't we might have ended with a tied vote, or people might have actual voted jalmont out. much messier eod. ofc my ideal was people put the jalmont stuff off till d2 and we massclaim then.
 
i have a debate club mindset that says that generally the most active 4-6 posters who often talk to each other and theorize about the game will almost always have a scum in it

celever presents it as some oligarchal hemogony that is being puppetted by scum

you can see why my perspective and his perspective are similar enough but his perspective gets you SRd
Oops I mindmelded with a fairy without realising lmao :eeveehide:

You could’ve pointed out that my theory is good when I was almost dying but y’know that’s cool:psytear:
 
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